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To: RealMuLan who wrote (112300)	8/21/2003 11:21:44 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Nadine, I actually understand, believe it or not, why those Palestinians are eager to become suicide bombers, because their own life is the only weapon left, and they have NOTHING else. And seems no one on this planet, including the U.N., cares about their misery, or even if someone cares, there is nothing they can do about it. Yeah, that's their PR - understand us, we're desperate, we have no other options. It hooey. Bunk. Total nonsense. Pick your own word. The Palestinians have gotten more aid than any other refugee group on the planet - when the Eritreans get cooking peas, and the Kurds get the back of the hand, the Palestinians get backpacks and sneakers and lifetime stipends unto the nth generation. They have an enemy who has steadily sought a compromise and refuses to massacre them despite their best attempts to provoke a massacre. The Palestinian's idea of a compromise is always to demand the deal they could have gotten thirty years before. Whenever they get frustratred, terrorism is the first recourse, not the last. Life for a lot of them already becomes suffering, there is no joy to talk about. Sad, but true Their suffering is by design - of the other Arab states and their own leadership. Did you know that under Oslo, Israel tried to improve sewers and roads and lights in the refugee "camps" (they are actually towns, not camps) and Arafat refused to hear of it? And did you know that the Palestinians in Lebanese "camps" are not permitted to get Lebanese citizenship, work permits, or even to improve their own housing stock? And of course, they are trained from infancy to blame the Jews for it all.

To: RealMuLan who wrote (112300)	8/21/2003 11:25:37 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

From the NYT: Powell Is Now Pressing Arafat to Combat Hamas By STEVEN R. WEISMAN WASHINGTON, Aug. 21 — After a year of trying to sideline Yasir Arafat, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell called on the Palestinian leader today to enlist the security forces under his control to help crush Hamas and other groups held responsible for the Jerusalem bus bombing on Tuesday. The unusual appeal to Mr. Arafat reflected what administration officials said was a growing realization that he remained a force to be reckoned with among Palestinians and that more pressure needed to be directed against him after the latest attack by Palestinian militants. nytimes.com Is Colin Powell out of his f--king mind? How to humiliate himself, grant Arafat a triumph, and achieve no good whatsoever in one easy step. As if this approach hadn't been tried a hundred times already, and failed a hundred times.

To: RealMuLan who wrote (112300)	8/22/2003 1:07:47 PM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

adl.org "The Warsaw ghetto uprising was nothing less than a revolution in Jewish history. Jews had resisted the Nazis with armed force. The significance and symbolic resonance of the uprising went far beyond the numbers of those who fought and died. Mordecai Anielwicz wrote to his colleague Itzhak Zuckerman:"…what really matters is that the dream of my life has become true. Jewish self defense in the Warsaw ghetto has become a fact. Jewish armed resistance and retaliation have become a reality. I have been witness to the magnificent heroic struggle of the Jewish fighters." Some aspects of the Warsaw uprising were common to all ghetto insurrections. Resistance came at the end, when all hope for survival was abandoned (and when trust in Jewish Council leadership was lost). More than 300,000 were dead at Treblinka; the rail cars were at the station. The fighters knew they were bound to lose. There was no longer a choice between life and death, but at stake was the honor of the Jewish people. The choice was to die fighting and to inflict casualties on the enemy."