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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3980)8/22/2003 8:46:20 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6945
 
I've never noticed you post critically on Southern Baptists or evangelical Christians. Unlike Jews and Israel.



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3980)8/23/2003 8:12:39 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6945
 
" Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for <font size=4>'Trillions' of Tons of Gold '<font size=2>
Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt ! "


** this should make perfect sense to you,
and the poor downtrodden "modern" Egyptians and
other "dreamworld" Arabs living in their imaginary
castles in the sky, and long lost empires ...how farcical.

Where do they get their doctoral degrees? From jinns and genies? <G>

washtimes.com

CAIRO, Aug. 21 (UPI) -- <font size=4>A dean at Egypt's University of Al-Zaqaziq is preparing a lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world," accusing them of stealing gold during the exodus.<font size=2>

<font size=6><G><font size=2>lol

The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview: [1]

Dr. Hilmi: "… Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."

Question: "What will the group of Egyptians in Switzerland do about this issue?"

Hilmi: "Dr. Gamil Yaken, vice president of the Egyptian community in Switzerland, came to Egypt to collect information. We set up a legal team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of limitations cannot possibly apply. Furthermore, [the theft] is based on their holy book, the same source on which they relied when they invaded other peoples…

"The Egyptian Pharaoh was surprised one day to discover thousands of Egyptian women crying under the palace balcony, asking for help and complaining that the Jews stole their clothing and jewels, in the greatest collective fraud history has ever known.

"The theft was not limited to gold alone. The thieves stole everything imaginable. They emptied the Egyptian homes of cooking utensils. One of the women approached Pharaoh, her eyes downcast, and said that her Jewish neighbor who lived in the house on the right of her house had come to her and asked to borrow her gold items, claiming she had been invited to a wedding… The Jewish neighbor took [the items] and promised to return them the next day. A few minutes later, the neighbor to the left knocked on the door and asked to borrow the cooking utensils, because she was having guests for dinner. Using this same deceitful system, they took possession of all the cooking utensils…"

Question: "It is clear why they stole the gold, but why the cooking utensils?"

Hilmi: "Taking posession of the gold was understandable. This is clear theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits the morals and character of the Jews. Yet what was not clear to the Egyptian women were the reasons for stealing the cooking utensils, when other things may have been of greater value. However, one of the Egyptian priets said that this had been the Jews' twisted way throughout history; they seek to cause a minor problem connected with the needs of everyday life so as to occupy people with these matters and prevent them from pursuing them to get back the stolen gold...

"A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every activity, due to the Jews' perverse nature, to which the Egyptians had reconciled themselves, though with obvious unwillingness. Therefore, an order was issued by the Jewish rabbis to flee the country, and that the exodus should be secret and under cover of darkness and with the largest possible amount of loot. The code word was 'At midnight.' In addition, the Jewish women were told to steal the gold and cooking utensils of the Egyptian women, and that is what happened."

Question: "Did they leave individually or as a group?"

Hilmi: "They left in a convoy of 600,000, that is, about 120,000 families. There were a few wagons in the convoy, and a long line of donkeys loaded with the stolen goods… They crossed the desert in the heart of Sinai, in an attempt to confuse Pharaoh's army, which was on their trail… Later they rested and began to count the stolen gold, and discovered that it reached 300,000 kg of gold."

Question: "But the Jews can cast doubt on this story with their usual methods. What is the religious evidence you said is in the Torah?"

Hilmi:"Naturally, the Jews cast doubt on this story because that is in their interest. But the answer would be that the story is based on what is written in the Torah. It can be found in Exodus, [Chapter] 35, verses 12 through 36…"

Question: "So what arguments can be made in support of getting back our stolen gold?"

Hilmi: "There are two types of claims, one religious and the other legal. From a religious standpoint, all monotheistic religions have called not to steal… It is also in the Ten Commandments, which the Jews were ordered [to observe]. Therefore, they have a basic religious obligation to return what was stolen, if it exists.

"From a legal standpoint, fleeing with the Egyptians' goods could be for the purpose of borrowing or for the purpose of stealing. If it is for the purpose of borrowing, legally it has a temporary dimension, not a permanent dimension, and therefore they must return [the gold], with interest, to its owners.

"On the other hand, if the Jews took the goods from the Egyptians not for the purpose of borrowing it but to keep them for themselves, by legal norms this is theft, and therefore they must return the stolen goods to their owners, in addition to the interest for its use over the entire period of the theft."

Question: "What do you think is the value of the gold, silver, and clothing that was stolen, and how do you calculate their value today?"

Hilmi: "If we assume that the weight of what was stolen was one ton, [its worth] doubled every 20 years, even if the annual interest is only 5%. In one ton of gold is 700 kg of pure gold – and we must remember that what was stolen was jewelry, that is, alloyed with copper. Hence, after 1,000 years, it would be worth 1,125,898,240 million tons, which equals 1,125,898 billion tons for 1,000 years. In other words, 1,125 trillion tons of gold, that is, a million multiplied by a million tons of gold. This is for one stolen ton. The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large…

(Uh Huh ....ya shure! lol)

"The value must be calculated precisely in accordance with the information collected, and afterward a lawsuit must be filed against all the Jews of the world, and against the Jews of Israel in particular, so they will repay the Egyptians the debt that appears in the Torah."

Question: "Is a compromise solution possible?"

Hilmi: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."

;-)



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (3980)8/23/2003 8:32:35 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 6945
 
Raed Abdel-Hamed Masq, 30, was a family man and a passionate Muslim with a flair for the pulpit. His suicide attack killed 20 others.

By Henry Chu, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

HEBRON, West Bank — By the time Raed Abdel-Hamed Masq was 16, he had memorized the Koran, chapter and verse. Religion consumed him, and he wanted it to consume others as well.

As an adult, he preached in local mosques his hard-line version of what the Koran meant: Establish a pure Islamic state; end the plague of Israeli occupation; avenge the deaths of martyrs.

On Tuesday, Masq's interpretation of Islam led the 30-year-old father of two to don the garb of an observant Jew and blow himself up on a Jerusalem bus. The attack — one of the deadliest in three years of fighting — killed 20 other people, including several children, and imperiled a sputtering plan to bring peace to this war-torn region.

Sitting in her parents' home Tuesday night, surrounded by friends and family, Arij Masq heard her husband's name on television in connection with the bombing and prayed — not out of grief but gratitude, she said: "I'm so proud that God allowed him to be a martyr."

Later, Israeli troops demolished the family's house, a common retaliation against attackers, after the family had left.

Before that, however, family and friends, all women, were on hand to offer her their condolences and congratulations. Not far away stood one of the mosques in which her husband had exhorted worshipers to engage in what many Palestinians consider noble resistance and most Israelis call murder.

In some ways, despite his unyielding views, Masq didn't fit the usual profile of suicide bombers — Palestinian zealots with whom Israel has become tragically familiar. He was, according to people who knew him, happily married, a doting father about to finish his master's degree.

But he was also a member of the radical Muslim organization Hamas, which, along with Islamic Jihad, claimed responsibility for Tuesday's bus explosion.

He made his affiliation clear in a videotaped will broadcast on television after his death. Masq explained that he was on a mission to avenge the deaths of Abdullah Kawasme, a Hamas operative killed by Israeli troops in June, and Mohammed Sidr, Islamic Jihad's top man in Hebron, who died in a shootout last week.

Friends and relatives — as is often the case after such events — said they knew of no connection between Masq and the two other dead militants.

But as an active militant and part-time cleric, Masq would have had ample opportunity to come into contact with the two men. On June 21, Kawasme was shot by Israeli forces outside the mosque where Masq was a frequent preacher, weaving together passages from the Koran and bits of Arabic poetry with indignant screeds against Israel.

Even for a conflict steeped in strong religious emotion, the language of hostility and fanaticism is aggressive here in Hebron, a crowded city that is holy to Jews, Muslims and Christians.

Islamic extremists and radical Jewish settlers live here in close proximity under the watchful eye of Israeli soldiers. Disputes often erupt over access to the sacred Tomb of the Patriarchs, where Abraham is reputed to be buried and where a militant Jew gunned down 29 Muslims in 1994.

Israel says this hilly West Bank city is a hotbed of Hamas activity. Two months ago, soldiers rounded up more than 100 Palestinian residents in a hunt for Hamas suspects.

Masq, one of 14 children, became a Hamas loyalist when he was a teenager during the first Palestinian uprising, or intifada, in the late 1980s and early '90s, relatives said. While he was serving jail time for throwing stones, his mother died, and the young man was not allowed out to attend her funeral. Family members said the experience cemented his hatred of Israel.

"Whenever he talked about his parents" — both of whom are dead — "you could see the tears in his eyes," said his wife, who is 25 and five months pregnant with their third child.

Although Masq railed from the pulpit against the Israeli presence in the West Bank and cultivated his Hamas ties, those who knew him said Masq appeared to lead a quiet life devoted to his family and his books.

He taught Islamic studies at a private school and was just a few months away from completing his dissertation at a university in the West Bank city of Nablus.

Five days before the bombing, Masq spoke eagerly of books he had ordered from Morocco and Syria, a cousin said.<font size=4>

Yet by then there had been signs of a darker ambition. Playing off the fact that "martyrdom" and "certificate" (or "diploma") are the same word in Arabic, he would sometimes say, "God grant that I will achieve martyrdom before my certificate," his wife recalled.


* makes perfect sense <g>