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Politics : Attack Iraq? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (7612)	8/23/2003 10:48:17 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 8683

chinu. You said...." Lorne, it is my understanding that this thread is on Iraq and terrorism, not a discussion on any religion. I am not going to respond on this topic from you any more. You may want to carry on your religious crusade with someone else.".... Ya right. Here are some posts of yours on THIS thread that were off topic just in the last couple of days. Is it ok for you? Just not those folks who do not operate at your exact levels? LOL Let us work for the present. I am sure that Caesar had photo ops too. But that is not what we are talking about. We are not talking about Teddy Kennedy. He is not the President. He got what he deserved. Bush should get what he deserves. Go figure telling a kid of a US service personnel that his father is gone for more than a year while the President has time to play golf. Message 19224518 -------------------------------------------------------- Haqihana, remember how the Bush team got into the White House. Pure propaganda. They claimed that the White house was ransacked by folks of the outgoing Clinton team. Later on when the reporters went to the White House, they found that the Bush team allegations/propaganda was wrong. YOu made a bunch of claims in your post. Any news links you can direct me to in support of the claim. That Rumsfeld is a crook is borne out by this news item: slate.msn.com Message 19226110 --------------------------------------------------- Haqi, there you go again. When you reach the end o f the road, your defensive fang goes up, and you take off tangentially. The downfall of the Bush regime has started with the wonderful speech of Gray Davis. Folks, enough is enough. American lives cannot be lost anymore in Iraq. American jobs need to come back. And Bush should take a permanent vacation. As I said earlier: dream ticket Gen. Colin Powell for President, General Wes Clark for VP, Condaleeza for Foreign affairs. And GZ, that is my version of patriotism, that is my version of Support our troops. Get those damn liberals and conservatives out. America get those screwball politicians out. Get the Generals in. After all it is the US military that has made us proud. We have won the war, now let us win peace. Message 19224857 ------------------------------------------------------------ Oh Chuck, you can go around trying to figure the background of people and trying to characterize them the way you want to. Instead, I suggest you concentrate on the merits and demerits of what is mentioned in the link. Message 19225730 haqihana, I would like to take you back again to my point I have made in past posts about having jobs, a strong economy a good President who can lead. I would hope you would be more intelligent and refrain from name calling: ".....You are nothing more than a liberal...." It is very easy to slip into a name calling people by those who find themselves challenged in an exchange of views and opinions. Message 19225747 ---------------------------------------------------------- Yes Chuck only people like you fall for the propaganda. Can you explain why the Cheney/Rumsfeld camp went to the Washington Post and told them that Powell would not part of the next Bush Administration (if Bush gets elected). This infighting should wake all of us up in November 2004. We did not hear anything like this in the Clinton administration even during times when Stephanopoulus was moved aside. It did not make headlines. But the Powell situation makes headlines. Why so? From your LIBERAL guy Message 19226128 ------------------------------------------------------------ GZ, I think your approach like some others does not solve the problem at hand. The US is passing through very dangerous times where organized belligerency, a voice of the minority is what we hear. It raised its head with the Florida recount, manifested itself in DC with the breakout of the Iraqi invasion, raised its head again with the California recall where these forces are trying to foist a clown (Hasta La Vista) approach. My friend, solutions to world's problems are not akin to what we see in the movies. It is not as easy as attacking Iraq and claiming victory prematurely. Those terrorist bastards (Islamist terrorists and not the likes of the Japanese Red army or Bader Meinhof) are very well organized worldwide. UN bombing in Baghdad, suicide bombing in Israel, etc. tell a story. The Bush henchmen claimed victory over Syria when Syria closed its borders to fleeing wanted Iraqis. Bush has failed to come to grips with the terrorist problem. He needs to work with the world community; France, Germany and Russia in particular. In fact it should be very easy for him to work with Russia because of their Chechnya problem. But he cannot work with them from a position where he and he only can dominate with them to formulate approach and policy towards the war on terrorism. But hey, who the hell are folks like myself who get very conveniently branded as liberals when we express our opinion which we believe makes sense. We can only sit back and watch in amazement and sometimes in amusement when the ballet team members lead by Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz perform their crazy dance. I am just sitting back and watching how the bombing of the UN building in Baghdad is achieving its sole political purpose of the terrorists which is widen the rift between the US and the world and force US' hand in admitting that their policy in Iraq has failed. Happy viewing. Message 19234671 ------------------------------------------------------ I am trying to better understand your comment "...liberal anti-establishment..." What would you consider me during the Clinton era "....liberal pro-establishment..." Message 19236832

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (7612)	8/23/2003 10:50:31 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 8683

Bush bypasses Senate to appoint Pipes Muslim lobby's fierce opposition helped stall nomination on Hill August 22, 2003 Amid strong opposition from Muslim lobby groups, President Bush has bypassed the Senate and signed the recess appointment of Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace, the White House announced today. As WorldNetDaily reported, Pipes's nomination to the federally funded think tank was stalled in a Senate committee. The recess appointment allows Pipes to serve until the end of next year. Daniel Pipes Anticipating Bush's move, the Council on American-Islamic Relations and other Muslim, Arab-American and interfaith groups held a joint news conference last week to voice their displeasure. "This back-door move by the president is a defeat for democracy and an affront to all those who seek peace," said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper in a statement. "Pipes's appointment calls into question all of President Bush's previous statements claiming that the war on terrorism is not an attack on Islam and shows distain for the democratic process." Pipes has been branded an "Islamophobe by CAIR, which has set aside a special section on its website for him. CAIR is among several U.S. Islamic activist groups contending Pipes unfairly paints Muslims in broad strokes. Pipes, director of a Philadelphia-based think tank, the Middle East Forum, makes a distinction between militant Muslims and Islam in general, but the U.S. activists insist his policy views are racist. Pipes argues his statements and writings have been distorted by opponents and taken out of context. Supporters of Pipes point out he is a respected scholar who warned of the dangers of al-Qaida to the U.S. several months before Sept. 11, 2001. Yet his warning was reviled as racist by some, including Columbia University professor Edward Said, who scoffed at "highly exaggerated racial stereotyping" that talked of hijacking jetliners and blowing up buildings. worldnetdaily.com