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To: Sig who wrote (112457)	8/23/2003 3:47:49 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

Thank you Sig. The "what ifs" you pose are, to my mind, secondary concerns, not only to me but to Bush and Cheney as well. The costs and implications of unilateralism are stark in the current phase of the war in Iraq. None of the "what ifs" you pose apply now. Our troops are being picked off one by one. We are unable to send sufficient troops and we do not have the right troop configuration. Troops from other countries are very badly in need -- yet Bush cannot bring himself to concede any real authority to the UN -- this is a direct consequence of unilateralism. I am surprised the UN is even willing to help -- but not surprised that Bush cannot take the steps necessary to stabilize Iraq. To bring in the UN comes too close to admitting that unilateralism is failing as a policy.

To: Sig who wrote (112457)	8/23/2003 9:40:08 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>>Canada, do you want some help up there?<< Nope!We seem to have a handle on terrorist activity,with the help of our friends and neighbors, and are arresting and detaining those that appear to pose a threat.So far so good. >> Are you with us or against us?<< Canada,as has many other countries,have been fully engaged in " the war on terror ", as originally agreed upon for our mutual benefit after 911.It's the adventurism we opted out of. >>Do you have enough Military to target a ME country which is building a bomb to drop on your territory , or will you wait and find it while inspecting an incoming ship ?<< Canada has not thus far engaged in activity that might inspire such an act of aggression directly solely at us , from a ME country, however,we do keep a close eye on the nuclear armed Israeli subs cruising off our coast......<GGG> >>>And be sure to report your latest findings to the UN so you can get approval for your actions. An act of aggression such as you suggest does not require UN approval.Such an act is considered a declaration of war by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations : Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations nato.int AND : The North Atlantic Treaty Washington D.C. - 4 April 1949 Article 5 The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security . nato.int Does that satisfy your concerns ? Regards, KC@UnitedWeStand.Com