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To: lurqer who wrote (26204)	8/24/2003 3:35:45 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Shortcut to a landslide seattletimes.nwsource.com The Democrats will beat Bush by pressing for his accountability on debacles such as Dick Cheney's involvement with Enron and its manipulation of energy prices in California, the security failures of Sept. 11 and Nixonian secrecy in what went wrong, the loss of over 3 million jobs, the turning of record surpluses into record deficits, the intentional misleading of Americans on the overblown Iraq threat, and the split electorate that was so unified after the terror attacks. To win by landslide proportions, the 2004 Democratic nominee will simply need to ask Americans this: Do you want another four years like the last four? - Bruce Johnson, Seattle

To: lurqer who wrote (26204)	8/24/2003 3:38:35 AM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

For the moment forget the grand policy of world hegemony, and just concentrate on the ME strategy of the neo-cons. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was supposed provide us with a base in the ME from which we were going to change the whole ME dynamic. Government after government was going to be intimidated into “mending their ways”. Etc., etc. etc. In particular, the “Palestinian problem” was going to finally become tractable. We even had the Road Map ceremony. Now that Hamas has told Sharon/Bush what they can do with their map, the Likudniks say it’s time to eliminate Hamas. Hence, US President George Bush called upon all nations supportive of peace in the Middle East to recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation and to take all appropriate actions to deny it support. from channelnewsasia.com The irony here is that if the Iraqi invasion had never been attempted, we would still have the world’s sympathy and support in a fight against terrorism. That coupled with the bus bombing might well have been sufficient to have achieved agreement on freezing Hamas assets. But to gain leverage against Hamas (and for other ends) we did invade. In the process offending much of the world, and particularly, part of Europe. Will they now cooperate on the asset freeze? We’ll find out. Hamas calls on EU to rebuff U.S. demands for freezing of funds from sfgate.com At this juncture, I’m making no predictions on the freeze, except to say that if the Europeans decide not to cooperate, or to provide only a sham cooperation, the War on Terror will have suffered a defeat. And it would be a defeat that stems directly from the decision to invade Iraq – producing exactly the opposite result from what the neo-cons predicted. JMO lurqer