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To: Brian Sullivan who wrote (5884)	8/25/2003 3:30:55 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794049

"Better to pull out of Korea and send those troops to Iraq." Left will object. They want us to be tough with NK and Kim much like they wanted us to be tough with saddam when clinton was president. They even tried to send balloons over the north this past weekend. However if and when the bullets start to fly they will cut and run just like in iraq. They will blame the US for not negotiating directly and if we do negotiate directly and that fails they will blame us for that as well. Mike

To: Brian Sullivan who wrote (5884)	8/25/2003 3:33:14 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794049

Oh, I don't think the public presentation would ever be "groveling at the UN." There are, no doubt, more ways to do it and save face than you and I could ever imagine. It just looks to me as if Brownstein is right. Bush is between the proverbial rock and a hard place; that he has to increase troop strength of some sort; that if he uses US troops he puts more in danger, he increases costs, etc.; that if he moves to a UN mandate (with face saving public relations spin) he can keep his rationale of saving the Iraqis from Saddam and the world from wmds and of building a better Iraq. He just shifts that last burden to the UN. I don't think, at least in his present presentations, Kofi Annan will accept anything less. Meaning the major players in the security council. Moreover, the move makes Bush appear more flexible and more "statesmanlike." I don't see it happening soon but he will need to do it before some much more major disaster occurs.

To: Brian Sullivan who wrote (5884)	8/25/2003 3:33:21 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 794049

"Here we go! Get Rudy on the hustings. [New York Post] RUDY PUMPED TO STUMP By DEBORAH ORIN August 25, 2003 -- EXCLUSIVE Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani is getting ready to throw his muscle behind muscleman Arnold Schwarzenegger in the California governor's race now that longtime pal Bill Simon is out, sources told The Post yesterday. "Rudy will support him, and if it helps him [to campaign with Giuliani], I think we'll do it," said a source close to Giuliani, who's on a quick trip to Australia and will be back Friday. Giuliani is expected to consult with Simon then and try to convince him to also enlist in Arnie's army. The Republican Terminator called Giuliani to talk to him soon after he announced his candidacy, "and Rudy told him, 'I think you're a good candidate, and I think you'd be a good governor,' but said he couldn't support him while Bill Simon was in the race," the source added. Simon has not yet declared support for anyone in the race. Giuliani, who became "America's Mayor" after leading New York City through 9/11, has become one of the Republican Party's top assets, recruited by candidates across the country for help in their races. Schwarzenegger takes a moderate Republican stance that's similar to Giuliani's - pro-gun control, pro-abortion rights and pro-gay rights. Simon was the 2002 GOP gubernatorial candidate in California and narrowly lost to Democratic Gov. Gray Davis. Simon strategists said Giuliani's active support in that campaign was a key factor in helping him beat the White House's favorite, Richard Riordan, in the 2002 Republican primary. With the exception of the 2002 Riordan-Simon race, Giuliani works in close tandem with the Bush White House, and played a key role in convincing Republicans to bring the 2004 convention to New York. Simon pulled out over the weekend after concluding he couldn't win and that his candidacy could yank votes away from fellow Republican Schwarzenegger - another problem was a shortage of campaign cash. The latest poll, by the Los Angeles Times, shows Schwarzenegger falling behind Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante by 35 percent to 22 percent in the Oct. 7 vote. But two other polls show a near-tie. Trailing were conservative Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock, who insists he won't get out of the race, at 12 percent; former Olympics chief Peter Ueberroth at 7 percent; and Simon at 4 percent. nypost.com