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To: quehubo who wrote (112755)	8/25/2003 7:25:58 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

'I was even on a ship that was turned away from you country of sheep and people because we may have been carrying nuclear weapons.' My god man, you mean you were [maybe] taking nooklyur weapons to a place where even the cops don't even carry pistols? ..... Why? .... In aid of what? ... on whom/what would you use them there? .... you figure you need them against sheep? ... if so, just who is the 'coward' of the piece, huh

To: quehubo who wrote (112755)	8/25/2003 9:15:46 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 281500

Que, I'd written a long post, including links and stuff and now I've lost it!! Damn. I can't be bothered repeating it. Mqurice

To: quehubo who wrote (112755)	8/25/2003 11:36:13 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I served and made sacrifices. On behalf of your country not New Zealand. I was even on a ship that was turned away from you country of sheep and people because we may have been carrying nuclear weapons. Think about that, warships from a country that saved your asses from the Japanese turned away 40 years later. Ever heard of the sovereign rights of a nation ? NZ has and I believe still does have a no nuke policy. You are entitled to help change that policy if its part of your country - else, lay off, and respect the policies of sovereign nations.

To: quehubo who wrote (112755)	8/26/2003 1:49:47 AM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Providing market incentives to entice enlistment may suit your ideal of freedom, but others paid the price for our freedom because they felt it was their duty.> You are right, people are always going to value their lives, over money. So, money and other perks (like college tuition, or land for homesteading) isn't enough. Volunteers during a war, have to be motivated by patriotism, or they won't volunteer. But why shouldn't this be an individual decision? Why should it be the President (or Congress, back when Congress declared wars) who decides what everyone else's patriotic duty is? Why can't this be the right of every person, for themselves, to decide? I thought Americans were individualists, who didn't like Big Government jostling their elbows? <There would be equal chance among all of being on the front lines taking chances if there was a draft.> That's not the way it has ever worked. When we've had a draft, the smart/rich/connected find ways to keep their kids out of danger. In the Civil War, you could pay someone else to take your place, if you got drafted. In the Vietnam War, there were various ways to stay away from the bullets. For instance, if your daddy is rich and has powerful friends, you can get an appointment to the Air National Guard, and then not show up for duty. See Message 19237594 The theory that a draft is more fair, has always remained a theory.