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To: sylvester80 who wrote (447797)	8/25/2003 9:00:56 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

You wrote:<font color=blue>"My message must have hit a nerve, eh? LOL."<font color=black> Not at all. I consider you to be a little mentally unbalanced, and out of control. I was goading you on, you dip. <g> Whatever you post to me is insignificant compared to you having to struggle with your mental illness. You know what I am talking about, but you won't admit to it.

To: sylvester80 who wrote (447797)	8/25/2003 9:06:18 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

MYTH : "Israel's treatment of Palestinians is similar to the treatment of blacks in apartheid South Africa." FACT : "Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934: We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland. Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, and have served in the Cabinet, high-level foreign ministry posts (e.g., Ambassador to Finland) and on the Supreme Court. Under apartheid, black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population. Laws dictated where they could live, work and travel. And, in South Africa, the government killed blacks who protested against its policies. By contrast, Israel allows freedom of movement, assembly and speech. Some of the government's harshest critics are Israeli Arabs who are members of the Knesset. The situation of Palestinians in the territories is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are not necessary inside Israel's pre-1967 borders. The Palestinians in the territories, typically, dispute Israel's right to exist whereas blacks did not seek the destruction of South Africa, only the apartheid regime. If Israel were to give Palestinians full citizenship, it would mean the territories had been annexed. No Israeli government has been prepared to take that step. Instead, through negotiations, Israel agreed to give the Palestinians increasing authority over their own affairs. It is likely that a final settlement will allow most Palestinians to become citizens of their own state. “There is still one other question arising out of the disaster of nations which remains unsolved to this day, and whose profound tragedy, only a Jew can comprehend. This is the African question. Just call to mind all those terrible episodes of the slave trade, of human beings who, merely because they were black, were stolen like cattle, taken prisoner, captured and sold. Their children grew up in strange lands, the objects of contempt and hostility because their complexions were different. I am not ashamed to say, though I may expose myself to ridicule for saying so, that once I have witnessed the redemption of the Jews, my people, I wish also to assist in the redemption of the Africans.” — Theodor Herzl" us-israel.org

To: sylvester80 who wrote (447797)	8/25/2003 9:15:06 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

MYTH : “The Palestinians who died in the intifada were all killed by the Israelis.” FACT : "Initially, more Palestinians died in clashes with Israeli troops — battles usually triggered by Arab attacks against soldiers — than were killed by their fellow Palestinians in the intrafada. This changed dramatically in early 1990. In that year, the number of Palestinians dying in engagements with Israelis fell by more than half. More Palestinians were murdered by Palestinians in the intrafada during that period. The internecine killings increased in 1991, with 238 Palestinians (up from 156) dying in the intrafada, more than triple the number who died at the hands of Israelis. Nearly 200 Palestinians were killed by their fellow Palestinians in 1992, more than double the number killed in clashes with Israeli security forces. The methods of murder, Steven Emerson reported, included beheading, mutilation, cutting off ears and limbs and pouring acid on a victim's face.14 The reign of terror became so serious that some Palestinians expressed public concern about the disorder. The PLO began to call for an end to the violence, but murders by its members and rivals continued. When many Palestinians heard a knock at the door late at night, the New York Times reported, they were relieved to find an Israeli soldier rather than a masked Palestinian standing outside. Even after the intifada fizzled out following the signing of the Declaration of Principles in 1993, internecine warfare among the Palestinians continued, and persists to this day." us-israel.org You have got to be out of touch with reality, and morally diseased, if you side with the brutal Muslim terrorists against the peace loving, civilized Jewish people.

To: sylvester80 who wrote (447797)	8/25/2003 9:21:31 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

MYTH : “Israel was responsible for the 1973 war.” FACT : "On October 6, 1973 — Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar — Egypt and Syria opened a coordinated surprise attack against Israel. The equivalent of the total forces of NATO in Europe were mobilized on Israel's borders.1 On the Golan Heights, approximately 180 Israeli tanks faced an onslaught of 1,400 Syrian tanks. Along the Suez Canal, fewer than 500 Israeli defenders were attacked by 80,000 Egyptians. Thrown onto the defensive during the first two days of fighting, Israel mobilized its reserves and eventually repulsed the invaders and carried the war deep into Syria and Egypt. The Arab states were swiftly resupplied by sea and air from the Soviet Union, which rejected U.S. efforts to work toward an immediate ceasefire. As a result, the United States belatedly began its own airlift to Israel. Two weeks later, Egypt was saved from a disastrous defeat by the UN Security Council, which had failed to act while the tide was in the Arabs' favor. The Soviet Union showed no interest in initiating peacemaking efforts while it looked like the Arabs might win. The same was true for UN Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim. On October 22, the Security Council adopted Resolution 338 calling for "all parties to the present fighting to cease all firing and terminate all military activity immediately." The vote came on the day that Israeli forces cut off and isolated the Egyptian Third Army and were in a position to destroy it.2 Despite the Israel Defense Forces' ultimate success on the battlefield, the war was considered a diplomatic and military failure. A total of 2,688 Israeli soldiers were killed." us-israel.org

To: sylvester80 who wrote (447797)	8/25/2003 9:48:27 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

You wrote:<font color=blue>"The funny thing is you can't even call these facts propaganda. Cause you know why? They are written by an IDF soldier. BWAHAHA"<font color=black> Are you saying that ALL soldiers in every nation's military agree totally with their nation's policies? Do all members of America's armed forces belong to the Republican Party? Your statement is stupid, and then after you write it, you laugh like an idiot. <g> You can't be that dumb to think that every member of a military agrees totally with their government's policies, can you? What were you trying to prove, that because not all of the soldiers in the IDF agree with the policies of Israel, that Israel is wrong to attempt to protect it's citizens from terrorism? You were laughing because you made a stupid comment. That is also a sign of mental instability. So, I was right about you, and you proved it with your own irrational behavior.