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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (112994)	8/27/2003 7:13:08 AM
From: Chas.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Maurice, I appreciate your comments, thanks..... you and marcos and myself are all free today to post here in cyberspace thanks to those before us that have paved the way with their own blood and sweat, guys like your Father, regardless of their motivations,often the lines, the thoughts, the goals become blurred but the over riding Principle over the centuries has been the fight of Good over Evil, Freedom over Slavery, Right over Wrong....... You cannot turn off the USA with a click of your mouse it doesn't work that way, the Dynamics of World/Global Economy don't allow for that, it is a silly premise anyway, we know who the good guys are don't we....??? The USA political system changes every 4 to 8 years, but some things remain constant....like Freedom, Good, Evil....... In the simplest of forms it really does boil down to Good vs Evil, Us or Them, our Tribe, their Tribe....... We are prevailing.....

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (112994)	8/27/2003 11:54:30 AM
From: marcos	Respond to of 281500

There is such lack of education in the US regarding other countries, only those individuals who put out the effort to study, or even better to travel, are able to see through the local myths of the last two centuries .... this thing of concepts called 'freedom' and 'rights of man' being newly invented from scratch in the 1770s thirteen colonies, this is the pervasive belief that underlies much of US worldview .... it ignores that there were classically liberal whigs in Britain at the time too, probably more than in the colonies .... Thomas Paine who wrote 'Rights of Man' was right off the boat from Southampton, and few short years later he got back on the boat, ended up in France ... no 'american' he, more of a 'human being' .... Smith of Kirkcaldy had his Wealth of Nations published in 1776, Pitt the elder had on record from decades previous many statements that would look at home on its pages [and for that matter, today on SI] - all these people were part of a progression that had started centuries back, or more likely millennia That's just one period, the 1770s, but their national perception is borne of its propaganda, upheld to this day as being sufficiently 'fair and balanced' [insert copyright symbol here, lol], pre-Tony-Bliar brits are all Lord Norths, and that's that .... many with the will and ability to learn realities of Kiwilandia and the g.w.n. do so well, and it shows through in their typing, 'a light unto the nations', as it were, lol .... but many don't, one suspects they fear it might cramp their partisan political style - #reply-19249260