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To: MrLucky who wrote (6186)8/27/2003 11:53:52 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793625
 
Clark could not carry Ike's lunch box.


Welcome aboard, EB! No argument about that. Ike is very underrated as Prez. He worked behind the scenes and knew how to delegate. Clark is the kind of Officer the Military loves to promote. Very sharp in intellect and appearance, and a tremendous briefer.



To: MrLucky who wrote (6186)8/28/2003 5:54:40 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793625
 
You mentioned Clark and Ike? You will like this from "The Weekly Standard."

Drafting General Clark
From the September 1 / September 8, 2003 issue: Another slippery candidate from Arkansas.
by Matthew Continetti
09/01/2003, Volume 008, Issue 48

GENERAL WESLEY K. CLARK is running for president. Maybe. With little over a year left before the 2004 election, NATO's former supreme allied commander hasn't announced his candidacy. But Clark sure is considering a run as a Democrat for commander in chief, as he tells any reporter who will listen to him.

Clark certainly acts like a presidential candidate. He appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" in June. In July, he fielded questions from George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "This Week." In August, he entered CNN's "Crossfire" and appeared on "NewsNight with Aaron Brown." Media coverage of the general, a former Rhodes scholar who graduated at the top of his class at West Point, is positive. This isn't surprising. Clark, at 58, is an intelligent, articulate, and telegenic retired general who led a coalition of 19 often querulous nations to victory in the Kosovo conflict.

Clark's supporters like to compare him to Dwight D. Eisenhower. Both men were successful generals who led NATO. Most important, both were recruited to run for president. A group of "Draft Clark" activists has pushed the general to run through petitions and websites. Taking cues from Eisenhower's 1952 campaign, the activists want Clark to play the reluctant warrior who is called to serve his country in a time of crisis. They've even made a television commercial that has already aired in New Hampshire.

But the Eisenhower comparison breaks down on close inspection, for a couple of reasons. While few people outside politics have heard of Clark, Eisenhower was one of the most popular figures in American history. On television, Clark speaks as if there were a public outcry for a change in leadership today, just as there was when Eisenhower was pressured into running for president in 1952. But Clark's analysis flies in the face of President Bush's approval ratings, which hover around 60 percent.

Then there's the question of partisanship. Ike hadn't even voted for president when he first ran for the office, and he ran as a Republican largely by default. Clark strikes a similar pose. He refuses to admit that he's a Democrat. "I haven't said [that I'd run as a Democrat]," Clark said on NBC. "I've been nonpartisan. I'm a centrist on most of these issues, and I've got people after me from both sides of the aisle." He often mentions that he was a White House fellow in the Ford administration, though White House fellows aren't appointed by the president.

Aping Eisenhower, Clark would like to appear nonpartisan. But the truth is Clarke's a moderate Democrat. This isn't too hard to figure out: Speculation about a presidential bid started when Clark met with some Democratic fundraisers in New York City last October. Clark has encouraged Howard Dean's insurgency. And he's voted in Democratic primaries in Arkansas--an act that requires him to be a registered Democrat.

Clark's refusal to admit he's a Democrat points to his biggest liability. He's a slippery character whose public statements remind you of a fellow Rhodes scholar from Arkansas. It turns out that Clark's supporters compare the general to the wrong president. Clark is more Clinton than Eisenhower.

Just look at Clark's story, first told on "Meet the Press," that he received a call on 9/11 from "people around the White House" urging him to publicly link the terrorist attacks to Saddam Hussein. On Fox's "Hannity and Colmes" two weeks later, Clark pinned the call on "a fellow in Canada who is part of a Middle Eastern think tank who gets inside intelligence information." When Hannity pressed Clark further, the general ended the line of questioning by saying he wouldn't "go into" his White House sources. A month after Clark's charge was picked up by columnist Paul Krugman, the New York Times published a letter from Clark attempting to clarify his story. This time, Clark said the only phone call he received was from a man at a "Middle East think tank" in Canada.

There's only one problem. There isn't really a "Middle East think tank" in Canada. "If there were any, I'd be able to come up with their names pretty quickly," says David Rudd, president of the Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies. "If Clark was contacted by any purported experts or scholars, chances are they would be connected to a university."

There's also the question of Clark's involvement with the "Draft Clark" activists. Both Clark and the various groups encouraging his presidential ambitions say that there is no communication between the two camps. The record suggests otherwise. Two days after Clark told Tim Russert that he was "going to have to consider" running for president, "Draft Clark 2004" filed with the Federal Elections Commission to become a PAC.

According to National Journal's politics Hotline, Clark recently told an "adviser" to "crank up" grass-roots efforts in preparation for a Labor Day campaign announcement. Clark's message was also reported in the Boston Globe. But in the Globe report, Clark's "adviser" was said to be volunteers involved with the Draft Clark efforts. Susan Putney, New Hampshire coordinator of "Draft Clark 2004," says the message "didn't come to us directly," but "when he said it, we picked up on it right away." If Clark communicates with what might soon become his campaign staff, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Why does he pretend otherwise?

Clark's message to the Draft Clark movement isn't the only signal that he's moved closer to announcing his candidacy. Clark cancelled his gig as a military-affairs talking head on CNN in June, neutralizing any potential conflict-of-interest accusations. And while Clark's letter to the New York Times only further muddled his story (if he wants to be president, Clark is going to have to get better at dissembling on his feet), it was still a valiant attempt at damage control.

What happens if Clark enters the race? If he fails to capture the nomination, his supporters say the general would still make an attractive vice presidential candidate. Especially if the top of the ticket is someone who needs to burnish his national security credentials--someone like the current governor of Vermont. Get your "Dean-Clark 2004" bumper stickers ready.

Matthew Continetti is an editorial assistant at The Weekly Standard.

© Copyright 2003, News Corporation, Weekly Standard, All Rights Reserved.



To: MrLucky who wrote (6186)8/28/2003 10:05:03 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793625
 
REAL CLEAR POLITICS BLOG:

Thursday, August 28 2003
CALIFORNIA RECALL: Recent polls have been all over the place on this race, and they will likely continue to be as pollsters are going to be more or less guessing at what turnout model is appropriate for October's election. RCP sees little chance Bustamante will be able to beat Arnold in a head to head match up, which is where we think the second part of the recall election appears to be heading. Simon's withdrawal on Saturday was a significant boost for Schwarzenegger and it continues the process of focusing the Republican vote. Expect Ueberroth to follow suit some time in the next several weeks. This will leave McClintock and Schwarzenegger as the sole GOP candidates left in the field, as we feel it is unlikely McClintock will withdraw.

Bustamante is going to attract the core Democratic vote, as well as a sizable vote from the Latino community, which should give him around 35%. His problem is where does he go for votes after that? As much as Davis and many on the Democrats' side want to play up the recall as a partisan power grab by the GOP, they are wrong to underestimate the genuine level of disgust and frustration with the management of the states' affairs in Sacramento by people all across the political spectrum, not just Republicans. There are going to be a significant number of moderate Democrats and independents who would typically be predisposed to vote for the Democratic candidate, but in this election they may take a pass, especially if they see Bustamante as merely a continuation of the current failed policies.

Bustamante's best chance is to hope McClintock can hang around and continue to pick up support from the state's conservatives, siphoning votes away form Arnold. With Schwarzenegger's liberal positions on most social issues, and the potential for actions and comments from his colorful past to blow up into a mini-scandal at any time, this is not an unreasonable possibility. However, even if McClintock stays strong until the very end we think Arnold will still be able to pull out a victory, as we suspect he will attract a significant number of non-typical voters, much like Jesse Ventura did in Minnesota. If McClintock fades and the race becomes a clear two-way battle between Cruz and Arnold, Schwarzenegger will win big and it is even possible he will get over 50% of the vote.

Of course all of the above is irrelevant if over 50% of the voters do not vote to recall Governor Davis. All of the polls except one (the LA Times) have shown 54%-69% majorities willing to vote for the ouster of Gray Davis. Our current RCP average which includes the very pro-Democratic LA Times poll still shows support for recall running 57.3%-38.7%. While the evidence continues to remain strong that Davis will indeed be recalled, we think the Democrats have a better shot at getting that pro-Davis recall number below 50.0% than they do of having Cruz out duel Arnold. So expect the Clintonesque strategy of trying to turn this into a partisan food fight to continue, especially as we get closer to October 7 and the Democrats realize Davis, and not Bustamante, might be their only shot to hold on to power.

Bottom line, barring some nugget from Arnold's past blowing up into a huge scandal, it is highly likely that Arnold Schwarzenegger will be the next Governor of California.
realclearpolitics.com