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To: Earlie who wrote (258206)	8/30/2003 10:19:08 AM
From: Giordano Bruno	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Earlie, Thomson Financial reports insiders sell-to-buy ratio at $45.42 to $1. Party on Dude. -g- Falling for the leader of the pack By Lauren Foster in New York Published: August 28 2003 20:06 \| Last Updated: August 28 2003 20:06 When three Harley-Davidson executives, including James Ziemer, vice-president and chief financial officer, sold shares in the company this month, some investors may have wondered whether they should too. After all, many studies have shown corporate executives have an uncanny knack for timing the market when it comes to their own company's shares. Mr Ziemer sold his shares in the US motorcycle company at $50. Over the past year, the shares have traded between $35 and $55. Harley-Davidson's executives are not the only insiders selling. Insider trades - when officers and directors buy and sell stocks in their own companies - show high levels of selling, suggesting sentiment is increasingly bearish. Analysts say investors should take heed. Early estimates from Thomson Financial, the data provider, suggest August will be the fourth consecutive month with a bearish sell-to-buy ratio. So far this month, the ratio, which is calculated by dividing the total number of dollars in stock sold by the total number of dollars in stock bought, is $45.42 to $1 - the highest ever. Typically it is about $14.50 to $1. When the ratio rises above $20 it is considered a bearish signal and a drop below about $12 is seen as bullish. July marked the first three-month bearish stretch since 2000. Six months after the 2000 stretch, the S&P 500 was down 19 per cent. August's figures will show the first four-month bearish period in more than 10 years. That could be onerous for the markets' performance in coming months. In June, Michael Painchaud, director of research at Market Profile Theorems, an independent research firm, advised his clients that they "would not be advantaged by staying in equities" and should move into cash. "Insiders are very bearish in the aggregate," said Mr Painchaud, who has been studying insider trades for 31 years. Similarly, David Coleman, editor of Vickers Weekly Insider Report, a newsletter that tracks insider trades, said his indicators started turning bearish in June. The firm moved its model portfolios into cash. With corporate executives apparently uncertain about a recovery and bearish on their own companies' prospects, should investors follow suit? "There is definitely a correlation between the high sell-buy ratio and what the S&P does," said Kevin Schwenger, insider research analyst at Thomson Financial. "The historic trend has been on average some degree of decline in the general market following this sort of bearish indication." "It is a commonsense approach to investing to follow the lead of investors who know more about the company than anybody else," he said. "Corporate executives are the most knowledgeable [about the company] and are long-term, opportunistic investors who are driving the fortunes of the company and not subject to the market and falling victim to fear and greed." Over the past decade Thomson Financial's sell-buy ratio has only risen above the bearish $20 level about 15 times, and on 10 of those occasions the S&P subsequently fell, with an average six-month loss of 6 per cent and an average one-year loss of 9 per cent, Mr Schwenger said. Selling by insiders is not always negative, however. Executives may sell stock for portfolio diversification, tax reasons, estate planning or cash needs. Also, the driver behind the bearish sentiment is not so much insider selling, but rather a lack of buying, said Mr Schwenger. "The story is not that selling is out of control, it is that buying is so anaemic." The current sell-buy ratio signals "a lack of confidence on the part of executives. They are not really putting money on the table and showing confidence in the recovery". news.ft.com

To: Earlie who wrote (258206)	8/30/2003 12:35:15 PM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

There is little doubt that the market will correct this autumn. The real question is will this be a run of the mill 10% pullback or something considerably worse?

To: Earlie who wrote (258206)	8/30/2003 1:52:55 PM
From: KM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Will you marry me? We can have little bears. LOL

To: Earlie who wrote (258206)	8/30/2003 2:37:19 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

>>- Virtually all goods transportation sectors continue to report reduced unit shipments. In a JIT system, this speaks volumes as to just how vibrant the "recovery" really is. << C'mon Earlie -- get with the program <vbg> stockcharts.com

To: Earlie who wrote (258206)	9/1/2003 2:46:45 PM
From: Tummus1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Earlie I completely agree with your assessment. I kept a copy. To the various points you made I might add the following: -Mortgage refinancing has been keeping the economy afloat of late. That is ending and all of that cash is drying up. American’s have been turning their equity in to debt. How many people refinanced and put their cash into the stock market? At the top. -If the bottom were in then historically at this point household debt should have declined to reflect the realignment in people’s priorities. This beggining to happen but it has a way to go I think. -If the bottom were in then historically real estate prices should have declined by now from their top. They are now at a peak. This is unprecedented but analysts will tell you that’s a good thing. I doubt it though. -The last 12 months were the worst 12 months on record for personal bankruptcies. Maybe this is a lagging indicator (like unemployment). Buts its funny how all of the bad news items are conveniently lagging indicators. -How is it that California, the world’s 6th largest economy, is turning into a train wreck and no one seems to notice or care? -I believe that there is something not right with the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac situation. The shakeup in the leadership at Freddie Mac may only the tip of the iceberg but I think that there is more going on than meets the eye. Warren Buffet warned in one of his news letters to shareholders that the derivatives that Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac are involved in are “financial weapons of mass destruction” that could bring down the whole economy. I am not saying this is likely but just having that statement hanging out there should give anyone pause. Also see these links: bayarea.com marketwatch.com On the geopolitical front, your points on Iraq were the most significant and likely. But I think there are additional issues, (that are more wild cards) that could bring down the economy hard. Again just having them out there should be unnerving to those who believe the worst is over. They would include: - A new terrorist attack on the US. This is actually likely and obvious but people just shrug it off. No one can predict the effect on the market if a jetliner (or two) is shot down over Miami. - The fall of the Saudi Royal family. There are experts who say it is inevitable. It may not happen for a long time, but hey nobody predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall , it just happened one week. - N. Korea’s nuttier than a fruit cake. Tummus1