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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (7865)9/1/2003 2:17:33 AM
From: AK2004  Respond to of 8683
 
re: YOu mean Saddam's men competed against the US military (non-Muslim) and they performed fairly well!!!!!!

do I have to assume single digit IQ each time I talk to you, that was a rhetorical question

your original question was "Do you think the Bosnians who are majority Islamic live in squalor and ignorance?".

I guess from your prior post one can conclude that yes indeed all muslims are idiots.

re: There you go again.

"There you go again" with your stereotypes. Assuming that you are muslim too that maybe considered as an illustration to your statement.....

I personally do not believe in stereotypes.

BTW Iraq was not able to compete against US because it was a predominantly muslim country......



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (7865)9/1/2003 7:05:38 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 8683
 
Rival Muslim groups converge on Chicago
August 30, 2003
By Rachel Zoll
ASSOCIATED PRESS
washingtontimes.com

This Labor Day weekend, more than 50,000 American Muslims were expected in Chicago for an annual gathering.
But they won't all be attending the same meeting.
American blacks and immigrant Muslims are holding separate conventions just three miles apart — underscoring the divide between the two groups that Muslim leaders have been struggling to bridge for years.
The split is a significant — and highly sensitive — Muslim issue. Islam teaches unity among all believers, and American blacks make up about 30 percent of observant Muslims in the United States.
Leaders on both sides say they can ill afford rifts within their community as the war on terrorism enters its third year. American Muslims have been striving to present a positive image of their religion and protect their civil rights under intense scrutiny by law enforcement.
"We're different culturally and we're different ethnically, and that creates some difficulties in terms of communication and understanding," said Imam Earl Abdulmalik Mohammed, a national representative of black Muslim leader Imam W. Deen Mohammed of the American Society of Muslims.
Sayyid M. Syeed, secretary-general of the Islamic Society of North America, which was founded by immigrants, said the two groups enjoy "total comfort and cooperation," regardless of the separate conventions.
Participants in the American Society of Muslims convention will automatically be registered at the Islamic Society meeting, Mr. Syeed said. Leaders will also visit each others' assemblies, which both started Friday.
However, Mr. Mohammed said that "it's a matter of concern" that no joint events have been scheduled.
Many efforts have been made to improve relations between immigrant and black Muslims, but deep differences remain, rooted partly in how Islam spread among American blacks.
Most came to the religion through black nationalist movements and the Nation of Islam, which had taught that its founder, Wallace D. Fard, had divine status and his successor, Elijah Muhammad, was a prophet. Mainstream Islam teaches that there is only one God and no prophets came after Muhammad. For that and other reasons, many immigrant Muslims consider the Nation of Islam a sect.
But W. Deen Mohammed, the son of Elijah Muhammad, transformed the movement after taking it over in the 1970s. He gradually moved his thousands of followers toward mainstream Islam, while Louis Farrakhan revived the old Nation of Islam under his leadership.
"Through the '60s and into the '70s, there was practically no relationship," between immigrants and blacks, said Ishan Bagby, a University of Kentucky professor who is black and a convert to Islam. "Really, the '80s was the beginning of a relationship."
Mr. Bagby was among a handful of blacks asked to serve in leadership positions in national immigrant Muslim organizations to help build connections between the two groups. However, closer ties served to highlight their communities' dramatically different needs.
Immigrant Muslims tend to be wealthier professionals who live and worship in the suburbs, while mosques affiliated with W. Deen Mohammed are mainly urban, serving middle-class or lower-income blacks.
Black Muslims, who tend to vote Democrat, said they felt alienated in 2000 when leaders of the immigrant community made their first unified endorsement of a presidential candidate, Republican George W. Bush.
Racism has been another obstacle.
Many immigrants arrived in the United States with a warped view of blacks as unsophisticated and even dangerous, and failed to understand the discrimination they faced, leaders for both groups say.
"People in the immigrant community just discovered racial profiling," said Mahdi Bray, a black civil rights activist who is Muslim and works for the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, which was created by immigrants. "For African Americans, we've known it for quite a while."
A unity council of black and immigrant leaders formed in the mid-1990s to explore joint meetings and other projects is largely inactive, said Naeem Baig, secretary-general of the Islamic Circle of North America, a relief and advocacy group founded by immigrants.
Mr. Bagby, Imam Siraj Wahaj and other leading black Muslims are planning to form their own umbrella organization, like the Islamic Society, called the Muslim Alliance in North America, to promote job training and other development projects in their communities.
Leaders from both communities emphasized that Muslims are still establishing themselves in the United States and they predict the American-born children of immigrants and the children of black Muslims will more easily mingle.
Mr. Mohammed, the imam, said his organization remains interested in pursuing a joint convention now with the Islamic Society. But he concedes that the rank-and-file members of both organizations may need to wait.
"Most of them, the leadership of the immigrant community, they want to see that happen, but I don't think they feel their people are ready for that," Mr. Mohammed said. "Most of our people aren't ready for that either. Our people are still remembering and feeling the pain of social disrespect, and they have experienced that with immigrant Muslims."