Hi CobaltBlue; Re: "The essays I have read by Salman Pax, Riverbend, G, and others on the ground in Iraq, make me think that the people have lived under authoritarianism for so long that they no longer have a natural tendency towards creating order. All they can do is sit around and complain because nobody is doing anything. Complicated by the fact that if you do anything to improve the situation you run the risk of being accused of collaboration with the Americans and killed."
The basic problem is that our allies in Iraq tend to be that portion of the population that is rich, middle class, and don't want to get hurt in a war. The enemy consists of the portion that is poor, nut case religious believers, and don't mind risking their lives for God or Country.
But the interesting political commentary here is that Cobalt Blue, the author of the above quoted paragraph, used to be stauch supporter of this war, who ignored in particular the comments of "Salman Pax" (aka Raed) over the last year:
Bilow, December 5, 2002
Hi all; Raed not enthusiastic on US help to change regime in Baghdad: ...
I appreciate the dropping of tons of bombs on my country.
I appreciate the depleted uranium used in these bombs.
I appreciate the whole policy of dual containment which kept the region constantly on the boil because it was convenient for the US.
I appreciate the support the US government shows to all the oppressive governments in the region only to dump them after they have done what was needed of them.
I appreciate the US role in the sanctions committee.
I appreciate its effort in making me look for surgical gloves and anesthetic in the black market just to get a tooth pulled out, because these supplies are always being vetoed by the sanctions committee.
I appreciate the policies of a country which has spent a lot of time and effort to sustain economic sanctions that punished the Iraqi people while it had no effect on Saddam and his power base, turning us into hostages in a political deadlock between the Iraqi government and the US government.
I appreciate the role these sanctions had in making a country full of riches so poor.
I appreciate watching my professors having to sell their whole personal libraries to survive, and seeing their books being bought by UN staff who take home as souvenirs.
I have so much appreciation it is flowing out of my ears. #reply-18302784
CobaltBlue, in reply
Oh, right. We should stand where we are and let rape victims deal with rapists. We should stand where we are and let children deal with torturers. We should stand where we are and let people be murdered. Not. Maybe you don't have the balls to stand up for the people who are being raped, tortured, and murdered. Fine. Nobody asked you. #reply-18302791
Bilow, in reply
You are aware that the article was supposedly written by someone who's suffering under Hussein's regime? I added no commentary to it at all. The hilarious part of all this is that Americans have a fairly cynical belief about their own government. "We're the IRS and we're here to help you." But they somehow expect that despite all evidence to the contrary, the rest of the world somehow will see the US government as noble and caring. #reply-18302796
CobaltBlue, in reply
The person who is alleged to be suffering under Hussein's regime doesn't have the right to speak for anyone but himself/herself. #reply-18302799
Bilow, in reply
Let me get this straight.
Raed, who lives in Baghdad, doesn't have the right to speak for anyone in Iraq other than himself. Okay.
But CobaltBlue, who lives many thousands of miles away, doesn't speak a drop of Arabic, and has never even been to Iraq, not only has the right to speak for people in Iraq she can't even name, she also has the right to support a military operation that will inevitably kill, at minimum, thousands of innocent people?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Why don't you send a reply to him directly? He seems to think Americans are a bit irrational. You can explain otherwise to him: ... #reply-18302809
CobaltBlue, in reply
I don't have any use for Americans who don't care about the suffering of Iraqis, nor for Iraqis who don't care about the suffering of Americans, nor for Iraqis who don't care about the suffering of Iraqis, nor for Americans who don't care about the suffering of Americans. I don't think you give a royal rat's rear end about the suffering of any person on earth, except Carl Bilow, and maybe his personal nearest and dearest. ... #reply-18302821
Well here it is less than a year later, and as Rumsfeld begins to talk about converting more of the military (which your son has joined) into ground pounders for the Iraqi butcher shop, now, after all this time and the dumbass war that you wanted so badly has begun, now you're listening to the same Iraqi that I was quoting to you a year ago, who represented an Iraqi public who did not trust the US government then, didn't want a war then, and damn well doesn't want the US over there now.
But your compassion was so strong!!! And "Carl Bilow" only cared about himself!!! What a cad!!! You should complain to Silicon Investor about such a heartless monster being allowed to post in a public forum!!!
More CobaltBlue:
January 16, 2003
Oh, for Heaven's sake. Why on earth would we risk US lives to protect people [Koreans, LOL] who won't lift a finger on their own? #reply-18451344
January 17, 2003
My theory about the real reason for invading Iraq is as follows:
1) In an attempt to force Saddam to get rid of his WMD arsenal, we imposed sanctions and the no-fly zones in 1991.
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9) From 1991 to 2003 is a long time. Time for Plan B.
I think my points 1-9 are irrefutable. #reply-18457338
January 23, 2003
Let's stay with my argument for a moment. If we know that Iraq HAD WMDs, because we gave WMDs to Iraq, as Zonder, and others, argue, then the question becomes, not "can we prove they still have them," but "can they prove that they don't have them anymore," doesn't it? Unless you buy the argument that they actually destroyed the WMDs but, dang, the dog ate their homework so they can't prove it. That may satisfy you and Scott Ritter, but the game show host is going "bzzzzt! wrong answer!"
#reply-18483845
So we went into Iraq to destroy WMDs that didn't exist. Our administration lied to get us into a war that had no association with any improvement for the Iraqi people. Doesn't that make us the "rapists" that you noted shouldn't be the ones that deal with the rape victims? That's why we must leave Iraq, no matter what the consequences.
-- Carl
P.S. Also see this stunning example of naivete, in regards to the civilian death count, and (a) that the US would be running the country, (b) that the administration wouldn't lie, and (c) that they would want CobaltBlue to know how many innocent people her oh so compassionate foreign policy murdered:
Why not? Since the US will be running Iraq. Will the administration lie? Will no one else be able to tell us the truth? #reply-18657459 |
