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To: Ilaine who wrote (113685)	9/3/2003 2:15:25 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi CobaltBlue; Re: "Carl, as usual (unfortunately) you dissemble rather than deal straightforwardly with the facts." You not only fail to prove this, you don't even provide any evidence of it in the remainder of your post. Is this a classic lawyer tactic? Tell the jury what you're going to do, and then go and do something else. Re: "Salam Pax has always been ambivalent about US intervention, which is completely understandable." There was never any hint of ambivalence in Salam Pax's writings on the subject of "US intervention". Yes he was against Saddam, but he was never, ever, ever in favor of "US intervention". Re: "At any rate, he's posted that he wants us to stay until the country is functional and not leave him to the mad mullahs." This is correct, but you still fail to understand the sad facts. Salam Pax is, as you say, an "intelligent man". He's not an average Iraqi. His opinions mean little, except that the very portion of Iraqi society that *should* be celebrating our arrival and supporting it as well as they can, is instead intent on keeping their heads low and simply surviving. And you missed the point before the war, too. Salam Pax, despite having every possible reason to be supportive of a US intervention, was vehemently against not only an intervention, but also against the sanctions. The failure to see this as a logical viewpoint for the Iraqi middle class is why so many Americans expected an easy occupation. Re: "Even if he was 100% against the war, it would not have changed my mind about the necessity of it." You were 100% convinced that the WMDs existed, no matter what logic I would show you that would indicate that Saddam had destroyed them. Not only that, but you are probably still 100% convinced that every reasonable person on the planet thought just like you. And you hold these beliefs despite the fact that most of the planet was not convinced that Iraq had WMDs, and the undeniable fact that Bush and Blair lied like rugs to convince their publics that there were WMDs. Re: "At any rate, he's posted that he wants us to stay until the country is functional and not leave him to the mad mullahs." I expect that eventually Salam Pax will conclude that for Iraq to become "functional", the Americans will have to go. I bet that when that time arrives, you will still want US soldiers over there getting killed, just so long as it's not anyone "near and dear" to you. -- Carl