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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (451751)	9/2/2003 5:54:15 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

The cause of cnyndwllr never ending confusion or delusion is an inability to make connections. There was not a this is why now this is why and and this is why. Only clear stupidity would conclude that from the way information was provided. Iraq with Saddam in charge was judged to a threat to the US. All of the reasons given were given together. All the reasons taken together made getting rid of saddam a good idea. The lack of human intel to confirm or verify was from the stupidity of policies of mr. bill in the previous 8 years. The methods and means of gathering intel were from the time of mr. bill. It takes years to refocus intell efforts from years of not to bright to reasonable. That's just the way it is. Based upon a reasonable analysis of all info it was concluded that Iraq was a threat. But saying first it was this and then this and ... is just a stupidity identification event cue. samo samo...

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (451751)	9/2/2003 6:03:39 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

The "cause" like the world is dynamic. Much has changed over recent months to further define what we are about in the World. Practically speaking the Regime of Saddam has been conquered. The tendency, however, is to extrapolate a broader meaning for the defeat. In the minds of many (Bush supporters and bashers alike); Iraq has been conquered. This notion has very serious implications. Attached to the idea that a Western power has conquered Iraq is the idea that, an Arab power has been attacked and defeated by a Western power. This brings pain and humiliation to Arabs of the world. In addition, an Islamic state has been conquered by a largely Christian and secular state. This tugs at the souls of believers from all regions of the earth, and alienates secularists from the issue. Also associated, is the belief that a Super Power has swooped down on a little guy to snuff him out in order to take his milk money. One cannot help but harbor some contempt toward the enemy even once it is defeated. This hatred has a tendency to grow and expand to resemblances of the enemy. I see people expressing this more and more blatantly as time moves forward. Whether it is deserved or not, Arabs, Muslims, and third worlders are becoming the target of hatred by Westerners; while Arabs, Muslims, and third worlders are also struggling with some feelings of grief over the situation. As you probably know, dealing with grief is not a passive activity. It involves expressions of anger and frustration by the grieving, with patient accommodation from others. As a nation, we can either try to hold all of this under our thumbs; or we can promote a better image, a different way of looking at the situation that is positive, productive, and reconciliatory. Honoring our leaders and our nation as a group of people who’ve made good decisions to unseat a despotically criminal regime and who are trying to help the Arabs of Iraq reclaim the autonomy and dignity they rightly deserve is a noble goal. Jumping on the band wagon to proclaim the whole episode as an evil plot of corporate giants is destructive and in no one’s best interests.