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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (113853)	9/3/2003 10:15:31 PM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (113853)	9/4/2003 12:06:02 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<Nothing short of a nuclear or biological attack will smack enough reality into the brains of such individuals..> So, are you calling people who don't agree with your version of reality: A) idiots B) cowards C) both ?????? If 50,000 people had died in the WTC, my opinions on how we needed to fight this war wouldn't change. They would just get more urgent, and I'd be more angry at the losing methods of this Administration. I could easily throw the epithet "defeatist" back at you, because I see you clinging blindly to ideas and leaders who are leading us to defeat. There are alternatives (which I and others have listed and discussed in great detail, on this thread), different principles, ideologies, methods, which could bring victory, and which you reject. If we keep on the road we're on, our enemies will someday use nuclear weapons against us. The NeoCons are bringing that day closer, and keeping us from choosing alternative futures. Maybe then, when we suffer a WTC times 10, or times 100, maybe then we will learn a few Truths: If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies. Moshe Dayan (1915 - 1981) What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Mahatma Gandhi Either war is obsolete or men are. R. Buckminster Fuller (1895 - 1983)