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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (73896)	9/4/2003 4:31:40 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

What are you going on about? I said that unless there was violence or the threat of violence, date rape should be treated differently. It is not quite rape if the woman simply gave up resisting a persistent man, without real belief that she was in danger. Sorry, there are cases like that........

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (73896)	9/4/2003 4:48:57 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"There is difficulty in proving the "No" part in date rape. But if it is proven, why is it not rape?" The original comment that neocon was posting about did not diminish the responsibility of the man at all. It simply stated that the female should also be taken to task for any contributory (provokee) responsibility. Now you are off on a different tack. It is a known cultural norm that most women want and expect to be wooed. Rational people would consider it responsible for men to make a pass and for the female to initially decline as a matter of self respect. It is called fore play to then put on charm with flowers, wining, and dining and silvery tongued carresses until the female is in the mood. Date rape is a problem that involves varying degrees of confusing mixed messages and misunderstandings about what actually occured and whether or not the female had willingly acquised to the advances of the man or whether he was doltishly dense or refusing to take no for an answer. Even if it was his stupidity of not understanding her signals, it is a rape. Although, a brutal rape can occur on a date that is as heinous as being attacked by a stranger in the dark alley, I see a difference between that and misunderstanding signals (still rape). You don't?