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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (73915)	9/4/2003 7:09:30 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I would agree with you, cessation of resistance is not determinative. That's the old and now discredited theory of rape -- no bruises, no rape. OTOH, there is a manner in which consent can be given not in words but physically. An aside, I am noticing here a difference between the responses of parents who have daughters and those who don't. We're too small a sample for this to be meaningful as a trend, but it's interesting. In my case, I have both a son and daughters. I have a strong compulsion to protect my daughters from being raped, either traditionally raped or date raped. OTOH, I don't want my son jailed for life for rape because of an ambiguity on a woman's part which after the event she decides to call rape.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (73915)	9/5/2003 10:20:51 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

If the woman's action has, up to that point, been ambiguous, it is not necessarily rape, but may merely signal a decision to go for it. Only if you assume that she has been consistent in her protests up to that point could you make such an inference. The whole thing is premised on the "no" being murky..........

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (73915)	9/9/2003 9:11:17 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Cessation of resistance is not sufficient. We all know that on the average men are stronger than woman. Cessation of resistance can simply be the woman's strategy to keep from getting seriously hurt. And that is particularly true if the man is drunk and lacks normal control. "Cessation of resistance" is different depending on what it is "Cessation of resistance" to. It can be stopping resisting , non violent, non threatening, non-painful, non-forceful pressure or it can be stopping resistance against direct physical force or in the face of a severe threat. If the man isn't using any sort of actual force or threat then I don't see how his strength makes much difference. If he is using his strength to impose his will on an obviously unwilling person then it is rape. Tim