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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (113970)	9/4/2003 10:05:44 PM
From: quehubo	Respond to of 281500

<<Creates (hopefully) another viable democratic Arab/muslim state with significant oil resources to sustain itself.>> The universal values developed by immigrants from all over the world are applicable throughout world. It is natural and we cannot stop it. We will succeed because the cost of failure to defeat islamofascists in Iraq will intolerable. A familiar few sentences below apply in Iraq. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (113970)	9/5/2003 9:07:19 PM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "1.) Warns the Saudis what lies in store for them should they fail to rein in their militant clerics and family members." As far as military threats go, the US is out of gas. The big stick is gone, stuck in Iraq. Re: "3.) Draws some of these militant factions into Iraq and out of SA ..." Agreed. Re: "... making it easier for the Saudis to "do the right thing"." No, Al Qaeda attacking the Saudi government is what gives the Saudis a reason for making the many great and subtle changes that will be necessary to eliminate Islamic terrorism before its natural time to die. Sucking all the terrorists into Iraq reduces the problem for the Saudis, thereby reducing their need to solve it. Afghanistan did the same thing. Re: "4.) Places a wedge between Iran and Syria, removing much of their direct line of communication through Iraq." This is silly. The Iraq borders with both Syria and Iran are porous. And it's not like the Arabs have never heard of advanced methods of "communication" like telephones, the internet, and airlines. Re: "5.) Creates (hopefully) another viable democratic Arab/muslim state with significant oil resources to sustain itself." Not for the foreseeable future. And when it does come around, it will probably be very pro Arab / Moslem rather than a state that supports any of our foreign policy objectives. Re: "I would rather empower another Arab state to take on that task." Who? Kuwait? No way that Iraq is going to carry our water. Even the *AMERICAN APPOINTED* Iraqi leadership council (or whatever they call the puppet government) is asking for the US to leave. -- Carl