To: one_less who wrote (73997 ) 9/5/2003 2:59:24 PM From: Lazarus_Long Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 I would say that your answer implies that possession of the Y chromosome forces the cerebrum to shut down in certain situations and lower levels of the nervous system to gain absolute control. I deny that any such malady exists. While you might hold your daughter responsible for her actions in some situations, that does not mitigate the responsibility of the man to cease and desist when told to do so. "No" is a two-letter word. It's easy to understand; much easier than the legal terminology that will be tossed around later. I have a daughter who is 17, the editor of a weekly newspaper, third year AP physics, straight 'A' student, active in sports. An apple of my eye. She takes complete responsibility for her sexuality in the way she dresses, talks to boys, comports her self, and the situations she allows her self to get into. I consider her an adult by most standards of maturity who is responsible for her own situations. She also made an uncoerced vow of chastity until married. Congratulations!For the sake of argument let's assume the boy knew about her 'vow' and saw that as a challenge. I would not consider it on the same level as a violent attack. Did he have clear consent or didn't he? That makes the difference. Either situation would be crushing but do you see that there is a difference or do you consider women simply helpless victims in all circumstances I don't consider them helpless victims at all. If they agree, no problem at all. If they don't, it's rape. This assumes they are above the age of consent. If so, they make their own decisions about this matter and other people are required to honor it.