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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jlallen who wrote (454569)	9/8/2003 1:26:50 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Jlallen, at the risk of generating another one-liner response, I have to ask; what is it that the U.N. and its member nations need to redeem themselves from? Should they redeem themselves from taking the position that there was inadequate proof of an imminent threat? Should they redeem themselves from taking the position that there was plenty of time to try the inspection process? Should they redeem themselves from taking the position that an invasion of a sovereign nation, even a brutal one, was a very serious matter and should not be undertaken unless there was legal cause under international law? The fact is that we've created, through our arrogance, ignorance and greed, a morass that threatens to suck out our credibility, our wealth and our moral standing in the world. The fact is that Bush would not be offering up the "spoils of war" to the nations of the world unless his people had determined that our previous plan was doomed to fail. This entire adventure is a classic example of the "laws of unintended consequences." What makes it so sickening is that most of the experts warned of these problems and were laughed down by the Bush-Rumsfelds of the administration. The truth is that the only thing we have shown is that being the world's only superpower is still not enough of a club to allow us to run roughshod over the world because the world is a big, complicated and tough place and we have only so much manpower and wealth to throw in the mix. A darker truth is that after this ends we will be a lot closer to "irrelevant" ourselves. We risk too much for too little, and for the wrong reasons. Give me the ideologically principled nation that the neocons derided over the force-empowered one that they exult in, and I'll believe in a better future for the U.S. and the world. The days of the neocons are numbered but the damage they are doing will live on.

To: jlallen who wrote (454569)	9/8/2003 2:17:59 PM
From: Kenneth V. McNutt	Respond to of 769670

<< Funny? I think it is great that Bush is allowing the United Nitwits a chance to redeem themselves.... >> We know the UN is basically irrelevent, and the IAEA is a farce but the UN is great ploy to be used by those nations who do not want to contribute to world peace with troops or cash, such as France, Germany, India and others but just want to suck at the economic trough and have US(us) supply the troops and cash. Suckers at the world teat while hiding behind the skirts of the U(seless)Nations. It's is one big game played by these nations whom are as useless as the UN and civilizationis the loser, while the Islamic murderers continue to kill innocents in those nations that do not subject themselves to their prostituted notion of Islam. Ken