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To: Ilaine who wrote (114162)	9/8/2003 6:44:39 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

Fouad Ajami ( name sounds like a Chinese dessert) The Jim Mcay of the Internet- he never runs out of words or gets to a point. Foreigners-They all hate us, but they all buy our goods or ride our airplanes Thats the way we want it, so that our immigration authorities are not overwhelmed with applicants speaking Greek or Arabic and seeking all the freedom and benefits available to US citizens. Sig

To: Ilaine who wrote (114162)	9/8/2003 7:17:07 PM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You can't profess kindness toward Americans while attributing the darkest of motives to their homeland. I think Ajami badly misses the point here, and in the process falls into the same tired trap of some ultra-Rightists, by calling all US-directed protest "anti-American". It is not only possible, but actually an indication of higher moral thinking, to love Americans while simultaneously deploring certain actions of the US government.

To: Ilaine who wrote (114162)	9/8/2003 8:32:45 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 281500

Pollsters report rising anti-Americanism worldwide. The United States, they imply, squandered global sympathy after the September 11 terrorist attacks through its arrogant unilateralism. In truth, there was never any sympathy to squander. Anti-Americanism was already entrenched in the world's psyche—a backlash against a nation that comes bearing modernism to those who want it but who also fear and despise it. Just the news media "creating news" in the end. But as he points out, there's no news at all, it's the same old tired rap, as Randy Newman's song "Political Science" observed so long ago. The sad fact for the Islamist extremists is that they're doomed, even more surely than Communism (and regardless of what happens in Iraq at this point). After all, communist regimes brutally murdered some 100 million human beings over the course of the 20th century, and they still lost in the end. Granted, they primarily butchered their own citizens, rather than those of adversarial nations, but the fact remains that the odd sucker punch from some organized criminals the likes of bin Laden doesn't have a snowball's hope in hell of stopping Western progress. Even one one where they got lucky as 9/11, and it'll take a lot more than mere luck next time. And despite what North Korea does either.

To: Ilaine who wrote (114162)	9/8/2003 10:06:11 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

The frenzy with which radical Islamists battle against deportation orders from U.S. soil— dreading the prospect of returning to Amman and Beirut and Cairo— reveals the lie of anti-Americanism that blows through Muslim lands.] Nice point by Mr. Ajami!! And a wonderful article about the cognitive dissonance existing with regards to Anti-American attitudes throughout the world, as well as the false friendship that exists amongst European elites towards post 9/11 America. And maybe part of the image "makeover" which should be promoted is to elaborate as to how the United States represents some aspect of every culture on earth. And from that we can work on helping the rest of the world's disenfranchised populace understand that unless they seize the reigns of self-government and politico-economic accountability, their corrupt power elites will deny them those benefits we enjoy in our our society. Hawk

To: Ilaine who wrote (114162)	9/9/2003 5:38:58 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Added to the reading list - Turning Tables, a blog by a US military guy (Army, I guess?): turningtables.blogspot.com He suggests ChromeDomezone (Chromey is Army Reserves, in Talil, Mrs. Chromey runs the blog for now): chromedomezone.com also Chief Wiggles - who has a recent post suggesting that we write to Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz about the Iraqi generals who surrendered, and ask that they be released: chiefwiggles.blog-city.com Lt. Smash is back home. lt-smash.us The guy who writes Turning Tables is short, very short, like a couple of days. Oh, yeah, forgot to mention "Allah" - very sarcastic, if you don't have a sense of humor don't bother. Naturally, I I I, being supercool and all that, think he's hilarous. allahakbar.blogspot.com