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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (114163)9/8/2003 6:31:03 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 281500
 
Hawk, we are agreed then. Okay, my metaphor isn't perfect, but since 1998, BigFoot hasn't been seen. Anyway, as has recently been pointed out, a few shells with sarin or something aren't weapons of mass destruction. One daisy cutter does a lot more and more certainly. One AC130 spraying thousands of rounds a minute is a bit of a weapon of mass destruction. Saddam's weaponry was a joke. Scuds going harmlessly thud into Israel last time were indicative of the mass destruction ability he had.

I don't accept the legitimacy of UN law. Just as the USA doesn't. It's nothing more than the toughest guy says this is the law and that isn't what law is. That's the olde style law of the jungle. Until law is as agreed by those subject to the law, it's just dictatorship dressed up as law. Having Syria in the UN telling me what the law is, or Russia, with veto, in the Security Council, telling Germany, which isn't, what's going on isn't law either. Though most find it a good enough approximation to accept that it sort of is the law. For now. Until something better is invented. Which the USA [along with perhaps most others] opposes.

An Empire is not necessarily evil [though some say so]. The British Empire, in my opinion, was a good thing. The American Empire is much the same, with regime change where the locals are unapproved by Whitehall, I mean Washington.

Don't feel bad about having an empire. Iraqis are by and large very pleased to be part of the American Empire. I've put my life's savings into promulgating the Empire. I pay major taxes to the Empire. More than I've paid to the New Zealand Local Branch. Liberians will be pleased to have the USA show up.

Tojo was tossed and Japan tamed, occupied and now in the ambit of the USA Empire. China is joining up, buying CDMA2000 flat out and paying major tribute to QUALCOMM and hence King George II.

Chinese are learning American flat out [Auckland is full of them].

You and I are on the same side of the Empire. I just think it should go a lot further and be modified to form an Empire more feel comfortable signing up to.

<We have NEVER been required to prove Iraq possessed WMDs. It's has been IRAQ's responsibility to convince the rest of the world they no longer possessed them >

Hawk, you know it's impossible to prove a negative to somebody who doesn't want to be convinced. Also, it's not surprising that he was reluctant to comply because inspectors were American spies in drag, determined to destroy his regime and get control of the oil anyway. Otherwise, the USA would have been recreating the UN in a form which is fit for the 21st century rather than handling things the way they did. The NUN would have been better equipped to handle Saddam and gain acceptance.

An agreement by holding a gun to somebody's head isn't an agreement worth the paper it's written on. The USA unsigns things they don't like. So does Saddam.

You mean he had illegal WMDs or illegal programmes as late as 1998. It's funny how the scary programmes are all we hear about these days. Giggle. If the programmes can't be found, he can be accused of dreaming about WMDs. Scott Ritter, who was flat out getting rid of these WMDs says that by 1998, there weren't many left at all. Yes, yes, I know we are all told to hate Scott Ritter now and that he is in the pay of Saddam. Giggle. Trying to sell his book. But there aren't many WMDs and the whole thing has been a bit of a joke. A 'bureaucratic' reason for a war, according to somebody who should know.

Mqurice