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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (2735)	9/11/2003 1:11:19 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

chinu. you said...." lorne, may I ask why the one American we know of, who was born and raised in the US, went and converted to Islam and fought against the American troops? Islam was not forced on him, was it.".... No I don't think it was forced on him but IMO he is/was a flake and very weak minded. A perfect target for islam as was that nut bar shoe bomber...a flake and weak minded. I mean think about it there has to be something wrong with a mind that wants to sit in an airplane with bombs in his shoes..blow up the airplane and kill all on board and believe that he will be rewarded in paradise for murder. As for the crazy you mentioned don't you think there has to be something very wrong with his mind to do what he did against his own country.? And how about his stupid parents who encouraged and paid for him to study islam. I'm sure that you have read as well as I that many recruits come from the prison systems as was the nut ball Reid..the shoe bomber...that guy even looked crazed. However you are correct that I left out those people who join islam voluntarily. Just my opinion but I think they are a very small % of islam.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (2735)	9/11/2003 9:44:41 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 3959

D.C. mosque tied to 9-11 extols martyrdom virtues Associate imam says Muslims who die for Allah no different from Marines September 11, 2003 worldnetdaily.com An associate imam at a large mosque here attended by two of the 9-11 hijackers says Muslims who die while fighting unbelievers in the cause of Allah are no different from U.S. Marines fighting and dying for America in Iraq and Afghanistan. Johari Malik of the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va., made the comparison in defending a sermon given earlier this year by the mosque's former head cleric, Anwar Aulaqi, who is under FBI investigation for his ties to the suicidal hijackers and other terrorists. Aulaqi in January exhorted the faithful at the Masjid at-Tawhid mosque in London to become ''shaheeds,'' or martyrs, and ''die in the sake of Allah,'' arguing it's the one sure way to get into Paradise, according to a transcript of a tape recording of the sermon provided to WorldNetDaily by terrorism expert Steve Emerson. Emerson believes Aulaqi, as a close spiritual adviser to the hijackers, may have helped them prepare for martyrdom before they crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon two years ago. Malik – who remains close to Aulaqi, now living in Yemen, his place of birth – says there's nothing wrong with such sermons. ''That's the same thing as telling Marines in this country semper fidelis,'' Malik told WorldNetDaily. ''Telling people to give their all for their faith is not an unusual idea.'' Dar al-Hijrah, the largest mosque in the Washington area, if not the country, counts among its flock a large number of Palestinian refugees who support Hamas, a hatchery for anti-Israeli suicide bombers. Aulaqi's London sermon was part of a two-day seminar organized by an Islamic charity in Britain called JIMAS. It ran from Dec. 31 to Jan. 1. ''Don't think that the ones that die in the sake of Allah are dead. They are alive and Allah is providing for them,'' Aulaqi said, referring to Muslim martyrs. ''So the shaheed does not die.'' When it comes to salvation, ''you could say that they are head and shoulders above everyone else,'' he said, noting the carnal and material rewards bestowed upon marytrs in Paradise. He also claimed marytrs ''will not suffer the pain of death, and will not have to go through the horror and terror of the day of judgment.'' ''So this should make everyone of you the more eager to be a shaheed,'' Aulaqi concluded, ''when you see the great edge that is given to the shaheeds.''