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To: Secret_Agent_Man who wrote (259821)	9/10/2003 6:12:56 PM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 436258

The health plans in the USA seemed fantastic to me in the 1985 to 1995 time period. For the cost of the plan versus the wages earned. Since then have the legal and insurance aspects gotton out of hand? In the UK, we live on much less now, and the National Health has been criticised by me for example, but several of my family have had minor cosmetic type ops no problem though we did have to wait a while. Also I had a bad hip injury, but the only advice I got was to walk more (it worked btw) but if you get anything really wrong here, its curtains I think. No point wasting money I guess. Quite amazed by the National health system now, just hope we can hang onto it.

To: Secret_Agent_Man who wrote (259821)	9/11/2003 10:38:51 AM
From: Knighty Tin	Respond to of 436258

Crusader, Insurers have no bargaining power, either, especially relative to Medicare or Medicaid. I think our entire system is riddled with inefficiencies and fraud and that is a lot of the cost. People blame doctors and hospitals, but insurance cos. and the gullible citizenry are mostly to blame. And the fact that our poor citizens revolted when the Clintons introduced a health care plan that might actually have worked is a credit to the Republican dirty tricks campaign. As the senior citizens said, "I don't want the govt. involved in my Medicare." <G>