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To: lorne who wrote (2739)	9/11/2003 10:26:50 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 3959

lorne, here is a URL that talks about the practice of sati. kamat.com Now tell me if this has got to do anything with the religion.

To: lorne who wrote (2739)	9/11/2003 10:30:15 AM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Lorne, another URL which talks about another tradition which is similar to the incident in Jordan (maintain the honor of the family scenario). members.tripod.com This, I believe is still prevalent, though rare according to a serial on PBS. Now tell me that because a society practices this, it has something to do with the religion they believe.

To: lorne who wrote (2739)	9/11/2003 11:23:24 AM
From: kirby49	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 3959

Lorne: I see that you've found another who practices that ignoble islamic practise of obfuscation. You mention a current barbaric act by a muslim cultist and he counters with two examples which do not involve taking someone elses life by a different religion.LOL

To: lorne who wrote (2739)	9/12/2003 6:24:20 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Re: Here is an example of everyday muslims in the ME... Likewise, an example of everyday jesus freaks in the land of the freak, the home of the slave, the garden of the homeless: Mormons who murder Hells bells Jul 3rd 2003 From The Economist print edition JON KRAKAUER set out to write a book about how the Mormon Church is dealing with its past. He tells how its most influential prophet, Joseph Smith, had a predilection for "spiritual marriage" with teenage girls that led to the church's enthusiasm for polygamy in the 19th century. But part way through, Mr Krakauer changed tack. Much of the book is concerned with the murder of a woman and her baby daughter by her two Mormon brothers-in-law. They believed God had instructed them to kill her. The result is a powerful portrait of how two seemingly ordinary Americans became murderers. It describes the peculiar world of Mormon fundamentalists-extremists within the church, still "marrying" many women and breeding vast families, and loathing government, even while accepting welfare payments for their (technically) single mothers. It describes the problems that fundamentalism creates for a country founded on religious tolerance: a court threw out the conviction of one of the brothers, on the grounds that anyone who argued that he answered to the laws of God and not of man was incompetent to stand trial. The two parts of Mr Krakauer's book co-exist rather uneasily. He never really explains how the church came to flourish, so much so that it is said by some to be the fastest growing faith in the western hemisphere. Nor does he explore, in any meaningful way, the contrast between the advance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints around the world as a church of the upwardly mobile and the respectable middle class, and the extremism of the church's American fundamentalists. The future growth of the Mormons probably lies beyond American shores, fuelled by their energetic proselytising. As that truth dawns in Utah, the Mormon fathers may try to take a tougher line with their wild men. But, like other moderates who try to out-reason the blithe followers of the Almighty, they may find it hard to make themselves heard. Or, as Mr Krakauer puts it: "Common sense is no match for the voice of God." Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith. By Jon Krakauer. Doubleday; 372 pages; $26. To be published in Britain by Macmillan in September economist.com The whole story: msnbc.com