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To: rkral who wrote (64483)9/11/2003 1:51:08 PM
From: Kirk ©  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 77397
 
Your example sums two events, stock exercise and stock buybacks. when you ran into the little problem that the stock increased in value, then you had to make up a third event, a dividend, to make a point.

Bottom line is I was right. Stock holders give up a fraction of their company, 2% for many tech companies, with the hope this gets the workers to do 12x6 days to grow the value of the remaining 98% of the shares enough to compensate for the dilution. The net effect on the company as an operating concern is a positive cash flow from printing and selling new shares of stock.

Your argument fell apart when you had to add two new events, one of which (a dividend) has never been paid by Cisco.

Sorry, nice try though. -grin-



To: rkral who wrote (64483)9/13/2003 1:52:55 AM
From: Don Lloyd  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77397
 
Ron,

You've inserted so much complication in your example that you've confused yourself even for things that you know that actually turn out to be true, let alone the things that you know that in fact aren't true.

I'm going to paste your example below and edit it so that it involves stock instead of options, equivalent to options with a zero exercise price, and eliminate the need for the stock price to increase or dividends to be issued.

Added text will be in bold and deleted or replaced text will be enclosed in [brackets and italicised].
Explanatory notes about deletions will be both bold and italicised.

You and I each own 50% of a going concern, with 490 shares each. We grant 1 share [option, with an exercise price of $33] when the stock price is $33, to each of our 20 employees.

[Let's speed up the entire option life cycle by assuming no vesting requirement -- these options are exercisable immediately -- and that the stock price jumps to $50 the very next day. Let's further assume all employees exercise at that $50 price.]

We both decide we would still like to own 50% of the company, so we each buy 10 of those shares for $330 [$500] out of each of our pockets. Our employees pocket $33 [$17 each ($50 - $33)] for a total of $660 [$340].

Before the grant [and exercise], there were 980 shares outstanding of which you and I each owned 50%. After, there are 1000 shares outstanding and we each still own 50%. Obviously, net income must be now divided by 1000 shares, instead of 980. [That's the dilution -- with which you apparently agree.] Note -- There is no longer any ownership dilution because we have individually repurchased the shares to restore our 50% individual ownership levels. At this point any desired total number of shares can be made to exist simply by the use of either forward or reverse stock splits with no impact on anyone.

[As a result of the exercise, shareholders' equity has increased by $660 (20 * $33). We're the owners, so we declare a $0.66 per share dividend. You and I both pocket $330 (500 * $0.66), reducing our cost to maintain 50% ownership to $170 each ($500 - $330).] Note - With stock given away, there has been no money paid into the company for any exercise.

In summary, we've got a $660 [$340] total less in our pockets, and the employees have a $660 [$340] total more in theirs. We each owned 50% of the company before, and we still own 50%. The company is worth exactly the same after as before .. but there's been a $660 [$340] transfer of wealth from shareholders to employees. [That's the expense. The fact that you and I paid the expense makes no difference. Effectively, we paid that expense on behalf of the company .. and it is compensation income to the employees.] Note -- The company exists for the benefit of the shareholders, the shareholders do not exist for the benefit of the company. The $660 expended by the shareholders to restore their 50% individual ownership of the company is in no way a company expense. It is an entirely voluntary restoration of the ownership of the company. The $660 is a cost borne by the shareholders and it is the only cost as there is no longer any dilution of ownership even though the total number of shares may have changed. If you and I didn't restore our 50% ownership shares, then there would have been ownership dilution, but then no $660 cash expenditure.

Regards, Don