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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (114596)9/12/2003 9:21:24 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
agreed
thorny problem- no easy solution
not doing anything is probably the best things- although it's always hard to say, except looking backward. What they need desperately in NK (or what would help the rest of the world) is a change of leadership.



To: Noel de Leon who wrote (114596)9/12/2003 8:38:36 PM
From: Gib Bogle  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
"One can argue that Clinton should have bombed them"

If you were a moron, yes, you could argue that.

Gib



To: Noel de Leon who wrote (114596)9/13/2003 10:45:24 PM
From: Jacob Snyder  Respond to of 281500
 
<China seems to have played its hand poorly.>

Nations have a Learning Sine Wave. Optimists see only the Learning Curve, but that's just the upswing portion of the Sine Wave. It is followed by a Learning Peak, then a Learning Fade, and finally a Learning FUBAR Trough (where the "learning experiences" are suffered, which leads to the next Learning Curve).

From 1949 through 1978, the Stalinists in charge of China made war in Korea, the Soviet Far East, Taiwan, India, and Vietnam. Nothing much was gained, money and prestige were wasted, a lot of Chinese died, and they Learned. They did their Cultural Revolution FUBAR. So, now, China is working hard at getting rich, and avoiding foreign adventures. They have Learned, that if you leave other people alone, they mostly leave you alone, and everybody is better off. If you happen to have a paranoid neighbor with nukes, threatening them isn't smart. The Chinese are at a Learning Peak, while America (on this issue) sits at a Learning Trough, approaching a FUBAR, in the midst of Afghan and Iraqi learning experiences.