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To: Neocon who wrote (74564)	9/12/2003 3:34:02 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

In any event, I am not sure that the factual question is relevant, since we were talking about the liberty of the masseur to restrict his clientele....... You didn't answer my question. Yes, the overall discussion is about the liberty of the masseur. But you and I have no disagreements about that and the matter has been fully covered, at least it seems so to me. The aspect of this that provoked my continued engagement is not the guy's liberty but the underlying premise that it's reasonable to be so concerned about provoking a sexual response. That is beyond my grasp. And since the masseur's reluctance to massage and resultant discrimination is based on that premise, it is, indeed, relevant. Without that premise there would be no issue about massaging any man, at least. I have not expressed any issue with him excluding women given that it's already common to have separate salons for men and women. My issue is with him screening out gays. It would be unnecessary, but for the premise, plus I don't see any practical and polite way to do it. So the premise is salient.

To: Neocon who wrote (74564)	9/12/2003 3:43:19 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I was not really thinking in terms of a therapeutic situation, but just an ordinary masseur giving a massage for pleasure. I am no expert on this, but I think the term "therapeutic massage" subsumes what your ordinary masseur is doing. I think they use that term to distinguish a legitimate massage from what is euphemistically called a massage but is really a sex act. If Jewel's masseur were to advertise his services, he would use the word, therapeutic, or else he might find himself with just the kind of clients he eschews. <g>