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To: k.ramesh who wrote (114649)9/13/2003 5:09:34 PM
From: Jacob Snyder  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<To say that Kashmir has nothing and hence is negotiable, ignores geography for one thing.>

Human geography trumps physical geography. In the modern world, every group who defines themselves as a nation (by reason of a common language, religion, race, and/or culture), wants their own State. Almost every multinational State in the world has fractured into its constituent ethnic pieces. And there is war, constant conflict, until the political boundaries correspond to the demographic boundaries. Where the mountains, deserts, and rivers run, is unimportant.

"The most natural boundary defining India", is the boundaries of where the Hindus are a majority (especially if India is going to shed Gandhi's pacifist secularism, in favor of a strident Hindu Nationalism). This map shows where Muslims live in India:
nirajweb.net
Kashmir is 80% Muslim; no other province is more than 30% Muslim.

<India has a collective memory of invaders from the NorthWest pouring in from about 1100 - 1600.>

The latest foreign invaders, (British, French, Portugese) came by sea. Before that, invaders came out of Afghanistan, across the Kyber Pass to Peshawar, into what is now Pakistan's NW Frontier Province. Not through Kashmir. Interestingly, the first Muslim invaders of India came by sea (Muhammad Bin Qasim in 711 at Sind).

Alexander made a winter base near Begram in 329 B.C., just as the Russians did during their recent war
216.239.33.104 Begram is now Bagram Air Base, just north of Kabul, America's main military base and torture center in Afghanistan. Holy ground, to the Gods of Blood and Sacrifice.

<the secularism that Indians have come to accept as the only sane way of dealing with diversity.>

As I understand it (from reading the BJP website), they define Hinduism as a culture (the national culture of India), not as a religion. In this way, they can promote Hinduism, while still pretending to follow Gandhi/Nehru secularism and freedom of religion. Is this anything more than a transparent rationalization? The BJP's beliefs accommodate the Eastern Religions (there seems to be no Buddhist-Hindu communal violence, no Buddhist Temples have been torn down), but say that the Semitic Monotheisms are foreign, un-assimilable, and a threat to the culture and unity of India. Christianity and Judaism are tiny minorities, no real threat. Which leaves Islam as the focus of Hindu zenophobia. That's what it looks like, to a sceptical outsider.

<Of course being part of a UN peace keeping force is not invasion.>

Whoever destroyed the UN headquarters in Baghdad seems to think so. It is their opinion, not mine or yours, that decides how an Indian army (any Muslims in it?) would be accepted.

<the national myth that Indians hold dear of never having invaded any other nation>

There are military graveyards in Iraq, abandoned and desecrated, full of Hindus and Muslims from India, and Jews and Christians who came from even further away. The forgotten dead from the British armies in WW1.



To: k.ramesh who wrote (114649)9/13/2003 6:10:59 PM
From: Jacob Snyder  Respond to of 281500
 
Arundhati Roy, The End of Imagination:

Our Comprehension of the Horror Department is hopelessly obsolete. Here we are, all of us in India and in Pakistan, discussing the finer points of politics and foreign policy, behaving for all the world as though our governments have just devised a newer, bigger bomb, a sort of immense hand grenade with which they will annihilate the enemy (each other) and protect us from all harm.

If only, if only nuclear war was just another kind of war. If only it was about the usual things - nations and territories, gods and histories. If only those of us who dread it are worthless moral cowards who are not prepared to die in defence of our beliefs. If only nuclear war was the kind of war in which countries battle countries, and men battle men. But it isn't. If there is a nuclear war, our foes will not be China or America or even each other. Our foe will be the earth herself...

The Head of the Health, Environment and Safety Group of the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre in Bombay has a plan. He declared that India could survive nuclear war. His advice is that in the event of nuclear war we take the same safety measures as the ones that scientists have recommended in the event of accidents at nuclear plants.

Take iodine pills, he suggests. And other steps such as remaining indoors, consuming only stored water and food and avoiding milk. Infants should be given powdered milk. "People in the danger zone should immediately go to the ground floor and if possible to the basement."

What do you do with these levels of lunacy? What do you do if you're trapped in an asylum and the doctors are all dangerously deranged?...

The Theory of Deterrence has some fundamental flaws. Flaw Number One is that it presumes a complete, sophisticated understanding of the psychology of your enemy. It assumes that what deters you (the fear of annihilation) will deter them. What about those who are not deterred by that? The suicide bomber psyche - the "We'll take you with us" school - is that an outlandish thought?...

India and Pakistan have nuclear bombs now and feel entirely justified in having them. Soon others will too. Israel, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Norway, Nepal (I'm trying to be eclectic here), Denmark, Germany, Bhutan, Mexico, Lebanon, Sri Lanka, Burma, Bosnia, Singapore, North Korea, Sweden, South Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan... and why not? Every country in the world has a special case to make. Everybody has borders and beliefs.

And when all our larders are bursting with shiny bombs and our bellies are empty (deterrence is an exorbitant beast), we can trade bombs for food. And when nuclear technology goes on the market, when it gets truly competitive and prices fall, not just governments but anybody who can afford it can have their own private arsenal - businessmen, terrorists, perhaps even the occasional rich writer (like me). Our planet will bristle with beautiful missiles...

"Explosion of self-esteem", "Road to Resurgence", "A Moment of Pride", these were headlines in the papers in the days following the nuclear tests. "We have proved that we are not eunuchs any more," said Mr Thackeray of the Shiv Sena (Whoever said we were? True, a good number of us are women, but that, as far as I know, isn't the same thing.) Reading the papers, it was often hard to tell when people were referring to Viagra (which was competing for second place on the front pages) and when they were talking about the bomb - "We have superior strength and potency." (This was our Minister for Defence after Pakistan completed its tests.) "These are not just nuclear tests, they are nationalism tests," we were repeatedly told....

The nuclear bomb and the demolition of the Barbi Masjid in Ayodhya are both part of the same political process. They are hideous byproducts for a nation's search for herself. Of India's efforts to forge a national identity. The poorer the nation, the larger the numbers of illiterate people and the more morally bankrupt her leaders, the cruder and more dangerous the notion of what that identity is or should be...

Yes, I've heard - the bomb is in the Vedas [ancient Hindu scriptures]. It might be, but if you look hard enough you'll find Coke in the Vedas too. That's the great thing about all religious texts. You can find anything you want in them - as long as you know what you're looking for.

But returning to the subject of the non-vedic 1990s: we storm the heart of whiteness, we embrace the most diabolical creation of western science and call it our own. But we protest against their music, their food, their clothes, their cinema and their literature. That's not hypocrisy. That's humour.

It's funny enough to make a skull smile...

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