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To: Dale Baker who wrote (19622)	9/13/2003 10:25:28 AM
From: d:oug	Respond to of 32883

"... that has made SI different all these years." Myself being a member of both Si and iHub, and active on both, I wonder if the differences between them are a chicken & egg question? - Not trying to be funny here, but its seems Silicon Investor has a sub set of the problems iHub has, and I wonder if eventually in the next short year after BobZ makes the user interface on both sides similiar, that if a single TOU will exist for both sites? - An identical TOU on Si and iHub would help in my opinion any changes in personel that for sure will happen, especially when both BobZ and Sheriff Matt transfer Admin jobs to a single person that's an employee with this function as full time work. Having the TOU identical on both sites would allow structural differences like how boards/threads are created and serviced be deal with in a manner than two TOU guidelines could hinder clear thoughts. - Si has moderator threads with ability to ban members from posting, but has no delete of posts ability. While iHub's board moderators cannot ban a user from posting, they can delete posts that have a second phase where the Admin verifies it as permanent, or places it back onto the board. - Currently iHub is going through a painful phase to understand the relationship of the TOU in regards to any special or implied differences towards board moderators, and how stock specific boards are classified differently than "club or private" boards. - To my initial wondering, might certain people feel more at ease on Si versus iHub with these differences? For example if the board on iHub Bux has issue with was actually here on Si and moderator was one of those "longs" that complain about Bux's post content, then Bux would be banned and have no rights except to file a motion to Admin for action that to me has not been done yet, over ride that ban feature on a thread. But i'am guessing most folks being banned accept it and start a new thread of similiar name, of which reminds me, on iHub only one company thread allowed eventhought i think a few have been "forced" made. - Which begs the question to Bux... Is that an Si IDCC thread? Doug

To: Dale Baker who wrote (19622)	9/13/2003 12:58:08 PM
From: Bux	Respond to of 32883

Dale, I agree completely and I am all for higher standards. Nobody wants to wade through a bunch of personal attacks, off-topic content etc. It is tiresome. I'm all for deleting personal attacks, off-topic posts and suspending those who post them. But when posts that are not personal attacks and that are polite and on-topic are deleted and their authors suspended, then it becomes an issue that concerns me. Even had I not been the one that was suspended I would be concerned that this type of censorship affects the credibility of the remaining views posted on a particular discussion board. When participants who have a long history of following the rules, staying on topic and being respectful to all, even those whom disagree, are banned from posting, that raises the question of whom is shaping the direction of discussion. Most human beings have enough of a sheep like tendencies to conform to the norm and to listen to the majority that removing the dissenting voices does not help foster a broad or accurate perspective. And when those dissenting voices are following the rules of the forum but are removed anyway, that raises serious questions about the objectiveness of the remaining discussion as well as the objectiveness of those empowered to suspend people. Bux

To: Dale Baker who wrote (19622)	9/13/2003 1:51:45 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32883

Certainly private site like SI have a perfect right to enforce whatever policies they choose (on a consistent basis of course, but that's a whole other can of worms). The problem is that if you are going to throw a party with lots of guests, many of them anonymous, be prepared to do some seriously heavy cleaning. And, if you want to keep your guests coming back, the worst thing you can do is give them unreasonable expectations on what they'll encounter upon their visit. - Jeff