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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (114708)9/13/2003 3:38:01 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 281500
 
While this article is biased, the problem it details is still a problem. I'm not sure what you do about it- but putting murderers on the payroll hasn't worked out so well in the past:

Have thugs will travel
Bush Administration puts former Hussein torturers, executioners, and rapists on America's payroll
Bill Berkowitz
WorkingForChange
09.10.03

In case you missed the latest from the White House:

On Sunday night, President Bush announced that major operations in the war against terrorism were over; Al Qaeda's Osama bin Laden has been captured in the mountains of Afghanistan; the Taliban's Mullah Omar has surrendered to an envoy from the Vatican; Iraq's Saddam Hussein was killed outside an ice-cream parlor in Tikrit; and Iraq's weapons of mass destruction have been discovered buried under an apple tree near Ur, in what some believe was the site of the garden of Eden.

Bush pledged that democracy would be established in Iraq by Christmas and all U.S. troops would be home no later than Groundhog Day; to guarantee fair and free elections, the president announced they administration had cut a deal with the Diebold Co. for its touch-screen machines; Veteran's hospitals in the U.S. will not be closed; benefits for all soldiers serving oversees will be doubled immediately; and a plan for universal health care will soon be sent to Congress.

Finally, the president announced a few personnel moves: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld resigned to join the staff of Fox News; National security advisor Condoleezza Rice signed a long-term contract with Cirque du Soleil; and vice president Dick Cheney has given notice that he was leaving the administration to take an executive position with Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays.

And, of course, that's the way it wasn't.

Within the past five weeks or so, four major bombings have taken more than 120 lives in Iraq: On Tuesday, September 2, a car bombing at a western Baghdad police station killed one Iraqi employee and wounded at least 18 others; on Friday, August 29, 83 people, including Ayatollah Mohammad Baqir al-Hakim, were killed in the bombing of the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf; on Tuesday, August 19, the United Nations' Canal Hotel headquarters was bombed and 20 people were killed, including Sergio Vieira de Mello, the U.N.'s top envoy to Iraq; and on Thursday, August 7, 10 were killed in the bombing at the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad.

Against this backdrop of death, destruction and utter chaos, President George W. Bush, in a prime time television address from the White House this past Sunday night, announced to the nation and the world that now that Iraq had become "the central front" in his war on terrorism, he needed more money -- some $87 billion -- more international support, and a heck of a lot more sacrifice from Americans.

Meanwhile, back in Iraq, while some intelligence reports claim that terrorists from across the Middle East flocking to Iraq may be behind some of the bombings, for the most part the U.S. has viewed these actions as the work of Saddam Hussein's Baathist Party remnants. Now, those bright folks at the Pentagon have decided that the best way to hunt down Hussein and any remaining Baathists is to put some of the brutal dictator's former buddies on the payroll: They figure if you offer the former regime's torturers, executioners, and rapists enough money and outfit them properly, they can be of great assistance to the occupation forces. St. Petersburg (Russia) Times columnist Chris Floyd recently mused that a headline covering this new enterprise might read "War Criminals Hire War Criminals to Hunt Down War Criminals."

According to Floyd, America's tax dollars are now being used by the Bush Administration "to hire the murderers of the infamous Mukhabarat and other agents of the Baathist Gestapo -- perhaps hundreds of them. The logic, if that's the word," writes Floyd, "seems to be that these bloodstained 'insiders' will lead their new imperial masters to other bloodstained 'insiders' responsible for bombing the UN headquarters in Baghdad -- and killing another dozen American soldiers..."

The Washington Post's Anthony Shadid and Daniel Williams first reported on these disturbing developments in late August: "U.S.-led occupation authorities have begun a covert campaign to recruit and train agents with the once-dreaded Iraqi intelligence service to help identify resistance to American forces here after months of increasingly sophisticated attacks and bombings, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials." Although U.S., officials wouldn't say how many former Husseinistas were being put on the payroll, "recruitment" had been "stepped up" despite protestations from members of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, "who complain that they have too little control over the pool of recruits."


Don't think that U.S. officials aren't sensitive to the problems hiring former Hussein operatives might cause. They claim they are, but desperate times call for desperate measures. "The only way you can combat terrorism is through intelligence," a senior U.S. official told the Washington Post. "It's the only way you're going to stop these people from doing what they're doing." He added: "Without Iraqi input, that's not going to work."

Shadid and Williams: "The emphasis in recruitment appears to be on the intelligence service known as the Mukhabarat, one of four branches in Hussein's former security service, although it is not the only target for the U.S. effort. The Mukhabarat, whose name itself inspired fear in ordinary Iraqis, was the foreign intelligence service, the most sophisticated of the four. Within that service, officials have reached out to agents who once were assigned to Syria and Iran, Iraqi officials and former intelligence agents say."

As Chris Floyd points out, this isn't the first time the U.S. has embraced world class thugs and killers and put them in service of the homeland: It appears to be "business as usual for the American security apparatus, which happily incorporated scores of its Nazi brethren into the fold after World War II, and over the years has climbed into bed with many a casually raping and murdering thug -- such as, er, Saddam Hussein, who spent a bit of quality time on the CIA payroll."

Bush's neoconservative advisors have thoroughly botched the post-war occupation of Iraq by a) over-estimating the support the Iraqi man/woman on the street would have for Operation Iraqi Freedom and, b) by under-estimating the strength of the resistance. Caught with their pants down, but still claiming success, Bush's neocons, both inside and outside the administration, are clamoring for more troops to be sent to Iraq -- two divisions -- and for more money to be tossed down the occupation rat hole.

As ever, it's easy and oh-so-painless to issue a call for greater sacrifice from America's young men and women from the safety and comfort of a Washington, DC air-conditioned office. Conservative columnist Paul Craig Roberts recently wrote that the "war plans [of the neocons] are taking us back to the draft... Lacking sufficient military forces to occupy Iraq with its small population of 25 million, what would we do once neocons get us mired down in Iran or Egypt with their large populations?"

In early September, the Washington Times reported that "A secret report for the Joint Chiefs of Staff [titled "Operation Iraqi Freedom Strategic Lessons Learned"] lays the blame for setbacks in Iraq on a flawed and rushed war-planning process that 'limited the focus' for preparing for post-Saddam Hussein operations.

This past February, a report issued by the Army War College warned that "Without an overwhelming effort to prepare for occupation, the US may find itself in a radically different world over the next few years, a world in which the threat of Saddam Hussein seems like a pale shadow of new problems of America's own making." As prescient as "Reconstructing Iraq: Insights, Challenges and Missions for Military Forces in a Post-Conflict Scenario" appears to be, the authors couldn't possibly have envisioned the chaos and instability now embodying day-to-day life in Iraq.

If William Kristol, Robert Kagan and their Weekly Standard crowd still think that Iraq is a noble enterprise, this would be just about the right time for them to escort their sons, daughters, nephews, nieces and cousins to a nearby recruiting office. And while they're at it, they might want to enlist as well.
For more please see the Bill Berkowitz archive.
Bill Berkowitz is a longtime observer of the conservative movement. His WorkingForChange column Conservative Watch documents the strategies, players, institutions, victories and defeats of the American Right.

workingforchange.com



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (114708)9/13/2003 11:19:11 PM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Alstair McIntosh; It's not an "interesting perspective", it's a desperate cry for help by an administration that got itself stuck in a vicious quagmire. I wonder what the objective is, to keep the American public convinced that Iraq is doing great until after the 2004 elections?

The lies in that article are too extreme to be described as "slant". All he's doing is trying to match the situation in Iraq with the predictions of the Administration that it would be as easy as the German occupation. Germany was an easy occupation, the Americans would have reduced troop levels there even faster than they did, if only they'd had the available ships to get them home. By contrast, Iraq has seen no reduction in US forces in 4 months.

When people stretch the truuuuuth this far you have to take their whole point of view and wonder about what other lies they've been spreading. I'm tempting to look up on the web what this joker was saying about WMDs before the war, LOL.

Re: "Worse, the attacks on soldiers, General Dwight D. Eisenhower warned, revealed a deeper resentment of the occupation: "The sentiments below them may provide popular rallying points for activities which might grow into organized resistance directed against the occupation forces.""

The author conveniently fails to give a date for the above quote, LOL. I'm sure that it predates the end of the war, if Eisenhower ever even said it at all. I couldn't locate a copy of it on the net, so I'm guessing that it's a recent fiction.

Here's the US military's definitive document on the German occupation, 1944-1949:

army.mil

A quote from the above:

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Except for black marketeering, some thefts of food and firewood, and petty violations of military government ordinances, the German civilian crime rate was low, sometimes almost disconcertingly low for the Army agencies charged with ferreting out and suppressing resistance. In October, after five months of occupation, Seventh Army G-2 believed Germany to be a "simmering cauldron of unrest and discontent" and claimed to have detected a "mounting audaciousness in the German population"; but as concrete evidence G-2 could only cite some illicit traffic in interzonal mail (then still prohibited), a "strongly worded" Werwolf threat to one military government officer in the Western Military District, and a protest against denazification from the Evangelical Church of Wuerttemberg.[38] Patrols occasionally found decapitation wires stretched across roads, ineptly it would seem, since no deaths or injuries resulted from them. Military government public safety officers from scattered locations reported various anti-occupation leaflets and posters, some threats against German girls who associated with US soldiers, and isolated attacks on soldiers. Although not a single case was confirmed, possibly the most talked about crimes against the occupation were the alleged castrations of US soldiers by German civilians. When the commanding officer of Detachment E3B2, in Erbach, Hesse, was asked to investigate one such rumor, he reported that not only had there been no castration but that there had not been a single attack on US military personnel in over four months of occupation.[39] The most pressing concern of public safety officers was often with getting the German police out of their traditional nineteenth century Prussian drill sergeant uniforms and into American styles, usually modeled on the uniforms of the New York City police. Wherever troops were stationed, especially in towns and smaller cities, prostitutes and camp followers were a moral problem, placed added strain on food supplies, housing, and medical facilities (frequently also on jails), and raised mixed feelings of disgust and jealousy among the other civilians. In quarrels with other civilians and with the police, the prostitutes did not hesitate to call on their soldier friends.[40]
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army.mil

Now, is the crime rate in Iraq "disconcertingly low"? Not from what I hear. And is the US army already organizing tourist tours of Iraq for bored soldiers? Hell no!

-- Carl

P.S. More quotes:

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The army-type occupation was comprehensive and showed the Germans that they were defeated and their country occupied. This type of occupation was presumably capable of squelching incipient resistance since none was evident.
...
The US zone in Germany, in spite of the war damage, offered a variety of tourist attractions. (A standard military government joke was that the Russians had received the agriculture, the British the industry, and the Americans the scenery.) In the summer of 1945, USFET Special Services opened a rest and recreation center at Berchtesgaden that rivaled the one on the Riviera. Civilian guides conducted tours for three hundred men a day at Heidelberg. The most popular tours in Germany were the Rhine tours. From three riverside hotels at Assmanshausen, parties of soldiers were taken on motor rides to points of interest in the Rhine valley. The climax of the three-day tour was a seven-hour boat ride from Mainz to Koblenz.
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By mid-summer 1945, the search for morale-sustaining devices was being stretched to, and perhaps somewhat beyond, the limits of feasibility. In July, General Marshall visited Paris and the Berchtesgaden center and pronounced the efforts being made there for morale "splendid," but he came away worried that the enlisted men were still not getting the "feeling of independence which all Americans crave." He proposed that each regiment, for a week at a time, give trucks, rations, and gasoline allowances to small groups of about ten men and let them go anywhere they pleased except into the Soviet zone. Eisenhower thought the idea was good and, rather gingerly, passed it along to the Army commanders with the comment that he would "like to see such excursions permitted insofar as local conditions will permit." The result was the establishment of a category known 'its Military Vacation Tours, of which few were taken. Confronted with a steeply rising traffic accident rate and a growing black market, commanders, much as they might have agreed with the spirit of General Marshall's proposal, could not bring themselves to turn loose on the roads of western Europe small groups of men in trucks with no supervision.
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In spite of the offerings in education, entertainment, and recreation, surveys conducted in July indicated that the high-score men wanted above all to go home. An Army-wide survey revealed that in the Pacific particularly, delays in getting the eligible men home were generating dissatisfaction with the whole point system. In Europe, where the war was over at least, outright disgruntlement was less evident; but almost half the men complained that their officers had given them no explanation for the delay in their departures. Most correctly assumed that the cause was a shortage of shipping space but said that they had not been so informed.
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The shipping schedule set in August would bring USFET's strength down to this number by the end of January 1946. The low point would be reached in the middle of the first postwar winter, when civil unrest, if it occurred at all, was to be expected in Germany and when the Army would probably still have to care for about it half million DPs and guard many thousands of war prisoners and internees.
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The nine-division permanent occupation force planned for Germany soon began to look like an outright extravagance after Japan surrendered.
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Calculating on the basis of one constable (plus signals, supply, and air reconnaissance) for 450 Germans, Eisenhower informed the War Department that a constabulary of 38,000 men would be enough to establish police-type control by 1 July 1946, assuming that by then the surplus property, DP, and prisoner of war burdens would have been substantially eliminated.
...

army.mil

Another interesting article, on the occupation of Aachen in late 1944:
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American plans for the occupation of Germany were based on two premises: first on the expectation that the Germans were on the whole Nazi-infected and hostile towards the American conquerors, secondly on the assumption that a more or less functioning German administration could be taken over by and serve under the direction of the military government. Both premises, as the Americans at once discovered in Aachen, were quite off the mark. Actually, the civilian population in Aachen proved to be docile and cooperative, and every German claimed to have had nothing to do with the Nazi regime.
...

histinst.rwth-aachen.de



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (114708)4/1/2004 7:33:12 PM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Alastair McIntosh; Back in September, you copied in an article that had some carping about the German occupation six months after the fall of Germany. I've taken a paragraph from the article and included commentary with the advantage of ANOTHER six months of Iraq occupation history:

Re: "There were still a lot of rogue Nazis causing trouble." [in November 1945]

The truth is that there were no US deaths due to "rogue Nazis" at any time after the surrender. There were still some people "causing trouble", but not causing fatalities among the occupation troops. This is in stark contrast to the current situation, where we see US troops killed a half dozen at a time by bombs that blow 15 foot craters in the road, and it's already 12 months after the occupation.

Maybe the difference is that, unlike the Germans, the Iraqis never surrendered.

Re: "It took months for British investigators to determine that Adolf Hitler had killed himself, and many thought his hand could be detected behind the crime and violence."

Saddam's been in jail now for 3 months, still no reduction in US losses. This despite the fact that we're supposedly passing responsibility to the Iraqi police force.

Re: "Worse, the attacks on soldiers, General Dwight D. Eisenhower warned, revealed a deeper resentment of the occupation: "The sentiments below them may provide popular rallying points for activities which might grow into organized resistance directed against the occupation forces."

Notice that he talks about "attacks", not fatalities, and he uses words like "may" or "might". The Germans did stuff like threw rocks at our troops or strung up wire across roads. This kind of thing, if it happened in Iraq today, would not even gather mention in the news. And as to the resistance in Iraq, it is not only organized, it's organized into dozens of groups, all of which are targeting us.

So what happened to the comparison with the German occupation? Why is the Iraq occupation turning out so violently? Or are you in denial about this, and feel that the Iraq occupation will end as well as the German / Japan ones?

-- Carl