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To: JohnM who wrote (7871)9/14/2003 1:58:23 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793782
 
It is the same narrative, Nadine, the one that places all the blame on the Palestinians, fails to acknowledge the settlements as contributory, and assumes force and fear will solve the problem

John, however much the settlements may have been contributory to conflict, they are completely non-contributory to the current cycle of terrorism and counter-terrorism. Settlements do not cause terrorism. Especially settlements, 80% of which have already been offered to be dismantled (as c2 says, in negotiations you can always get again anything that has already been offered).

The Palestinians decided to improve their deal by negotiating with suicide bombers. That was their tactical decision. Settlements did not make them do it, and to keep saying so is to regard them as some kind of helpless automaton. The talks didn't even break down over settlements, for crying out loud, they broke down over "right of return."

You can look at the intifada as a basic argument as to what kind of behavior will lead to concessions, remembering as always, that the deal is assymetrical - the Israelis are offering land and sovreignty, and the Palestinians have only good behavior to offer.

The Israelis say that only negotiations should be rewarded. The Palestinians put their faith in negotiations + suicide bombs. The Israelis object violently (in several senses) to this proposition. Thus the current conflict.

Unfortunately, this is not an answer to the NYT editorial, as you say, but very much part of the problem

Listen John, how many ways can I say it? It takes two to tango. If Hamas reacts as Chodoff thinks they react, the NYT solution will only make things ten times worse. Hamas' stated ideology and past history all lean to Chodoff's side of the argument. In response, you have offered no argument whatsover except to call his argument "part of the problem". It's not. It's a diagnosis. A diagnosis is never part of the problem, if it's correct. If you think the diagnosis is incorrect, then it's up to you to say why and how.