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Politics : WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004 -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4722)9/14/2003 1:26:12 AM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10965
 
Kerry-Clark or maybe Kerry-Graham can beat Bush, but I don't know about any of the others. The poll today showing Bush with high-high ratings on military issues despite all his failures makes me realize we HAVE to have someone who can take that issue away from him.

Kerry is the best bet as I don't believe Clark has a snowball's chance to get nominated. Dean and the others are fine men, but they're all military wimps compared to Bush except Lieberman who's a big fuddy-duddy.

Kerry-Clark would stop Bush dead in his tracks in terms of military campaigning. If he tried to don the flight suit again they'd rip him to shreds. Make no mistake too, this war is going to keep going for years. But we need new leadership which doesn't alienate the entire world in the process. That will save hundreds of billions and many lives ove the years.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4722)9/15/2003 2:14:04 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 10965
 
"Purging voter lists is just the beginning: the U.S. has embraced a form of electronic voting that is unreliable, unverifiable"

infernalpress.com



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4722)9/15/2003 10:16:11 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 10965
 
<<...So what, you may say. September 11 happened. We have to respond. I would answer with the following: First of all, understand that these ideas were formulated well before September 11. These officials within the Bush administration did not cobble these concepts together in the aftermath of that attack, but had them waiting before the attack ever came, and used the attack to bulldog these ruinous policies out into the world. That is disturbing on its face. In a moment, I will share with you the most disturbing part of all. But first, this. A reaction to the September 11 attacks, and to the fringe ideology and the perversion of Islam that motivated them, was and is necessary. Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda are thugs, a protection racket that uses terror instead of Tommy guns. Yet they are heroes to many in the Muslim world. They are not heroes because of what they do. They are heroes because of what we do. They win the hearts and minds of people throughout the world not because of their actions, but because their actions are motivated by our actions.

If we are to win this War on Terror, this new Cold War, we will not do so by bombing decrepit countries and slaughtering Muslim civilians. We will not do so by swaggering across the planet and slapping the international community across the face. In this struggle, I look to one of my favorite Red Sox fans, President John F. Kennedy. Kennedy was by no means a foreign policy prince; he pulled crap that would make Richard Perle blush. Yet Kennedy understood something fundamental about the Cold War struggle, from back when that struggle was as hot and dangerous as it ever got, that resonates in roaring truth today. Kennedy understood that to win the Cold War, America did not simply have to defeat the Soviet Union by force of arms, or threaten to be able to do so. America had to give the rest of the world, especially those regions where communism stood a good chance of taking hold, the belief and understanding that we had a better way. We had to convince the world that were right, and righteous, and though we were not perfect by any means, the hope and goodness of what we represented had to be carried to the corners of the world with something besides a bayonet and a bomb. Hatred of America does not take root when America shows its best face. The bastion of immigration that is New York City proves this beyond doubt. We are not perfect, but we can be very good, and bringing this simple truth to the world will defang these thugs, period.

That is the final failure of this administration, and of these boys from the Project for a New American Century. They believe we can defeat terrorism by kicking ass and taking names, by being violent and unilateral, by basically shoving the worst aspects of our country and our system into the international community’s face and demanding, at gunpoint, that they be with us or against us. Machiavelli said, long ago, that given such a choice, the attacked would always choose to be against. Kicking ass in Iraq, while being exposed as liars and bullies, has proven to be the greatest recruiting poster al Qaeda could have ever asked for. We can defeat these thugs if we go after them properly. We can cut off their funds and their ability to bring in people who will die for the privilege of watching you die. But when we do what we have been doing, when we follow the PNAC plan, we create an unending tide of furious humanity that will, in the end, bury us.

You’ve been used, New York. Your pain and woe has been used to justify a course of action formulated years before those Towers fell. The fear caused by those falling Towers has been used against you, on purpose, to drag us all along on a suicide ride that fulfills the extremist dreams of a tiny minority while filling the coffers of defense and petroleum companies that do not, and will never, have your best interests in mind. Those companies exist to serve themselves, and with the rise of PNAC, they have found their champions. At your expense.

I told you, a moment ago, about the most disturbing part. I told you, also, that these PNAC plans were formulated in that ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses’ report written long before September 11. I didn’t tell you about page 51 of that report. Page 51 of a report that has become the basis for our war in Iraq, and our new and aggressive foreign policy stance. Page 51 of the report that is now the heart and soul and ideology of this government. Page 51, and one simple sentence: "The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

That was written in September of 2000. It is now September of 2003. Now we have the facts. What are we to do with them? It is not enough to know. We must act...>>

truthout.org



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4722)9/15/2003 12:36:27 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 10965
 
wbir.com

<<...Clark says the commander in chief's number one responsibility is the safety and security of the US.

Clark questioned the administration's efforts to avoid the September eleventh, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Clark also charged the Bush administration with "slow investigations" and "shenanigans" in response to September eleventh.

The 58-year-old Clark headed the US Southern Command and was NATO commander during the 1999 campaign in Kosovo.

He said his 34 years in the military taught him that "the highest calling of the armed forces is not to wage war, but to prevent war."...>>



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4722)9/15/2003 2:37:31 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 10965
 
President Bush's Mis-State of the Union

misleader.org

Sixteen untrue words in the President's State of the Union message helped push American into war with Iraq. It's now clear that the remaining 5397 words in the speech were just as misleading. For example:

On the Economy:
"We will not pass along our problems to other Congresses, to other presidents and other generations."

The truth: Factoring in the cost of reconstruction in Iraq and other laws that are set to be enacted, the federal budget deficit is close to $5 trillion over the next 10 years. The President's latest request to make his tax cuts permanent would add another nearly $1.6 trillion to the federal debt through 2013. That's $41,300 for every man, woman and child.

On Jobs:
My "first goal is an economy that [will] employ every man and woman who seeks a job."

The truth: 2.5 million jobs have already been lost since 2001 and the President's own economic advisors project that his economic plan - if everything goes well - will create fewer jobs in the next year than were lost in the last year. This will make President Bush the first president since Hoover's Great Depression-era presidency to preside over an economy that has lost more jobs than it's created.
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This website will chronicle the Bush Administration's ongoing misstatements, misleading figures, and outright deception. Unfortunately for all of us, there is enough misleading to keep this website busy.

(Research by Bob Borosage, Co-Director of Campaign for America's Future.)



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4722)9/15/2003 2:47:20 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 10965
 
misleader.org



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4722)9/15/2003 7:42:43 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 10965
 
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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (4722)9/16/2003 12:13:27 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 10965
 
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