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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8020)	9/15/2003 10:23:31 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793809

The usual nonsense.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8020)	9/15/2003 10:32:13 AM
From: MSI	Respond to of 793809

What guides American policy isn't racism per se it's the Project for the New American Century -- "The Project for a New American Century was formed with a number of specific purposes in mind. The first, and foremost, was to fundamentally reorganize the foreign policy standards of the United States, to change forever the way America deals with the world. The first step in doing this, according to PNAC, was to attack, invade and take over the nation of Iraq. This plan was codified in a scolding letter sent to President Clinton in 1998 which chastised him for not rolling tanks on Baghdad. The next step in the process, according to PNAC, was to invade and take out friendly and unfriendly regimes alike in the Middle East, thus ‘Westernizing’ the region through warfare and bringing our values to them. Implicit within this plan is the PNAC idea that open warfare and wholesale regime-change in the Middle East is all part of "Defending Israel." ... It is flat insanity to claim that theater-wide warfare and destabilization in the Mideast will do anything but make Israel less safe, and by proxy will cause further suffering and death within the Palestinian community. These are things we have to be able to talk about. We cannot discuss the Bush administration without discussing PNAC. We cannot discuss PNAC without discussing Israel and Palestine. If we cannot discuss Israel and Palestine without shredding each other, we will never be able to address this profound problem." truthout.org IMO the problem is simple - wherever we're causing mayhem and bloodshed, exacerbating blood feuds, get the hell out, and act as honest brokers instead of military dupes of one side or both sides. Instead, the incentives of PNAC, the military, contractors, and in-pocket politicians like Bush are all in alignment, towards war in the M.E. Which unfortunately, includes war here at home in our neighborhoods. There's no way if we continue to be involved in the M.E. we won't see terrorism on our own streets, escalating to the point where, as my Israeli friends agree, we'll be just like Israel, with weekly disco and shopping mall explosions, and as things escalate, dirty bombs, water and food pathogens, and plagues if the spooks in the back rooms have their sway, as it looks like they're doing.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (8020)	9/15/2003 10:37:22 AM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793809

Ian Buruma's "Wielding the moral club" makes the mistake of assuming it's America's duty to stick it's finger in every blood feud in the world, its only moral matter of choosing which ones... That's the job for volunteers for the Peace Corps, U.N., and for shooting wars, mercenaries and voluntary soldiers who wish to pile on. There's nothing in the US Constitution that gives us the right to go around the world chasing Iraqis, Palistinians, Liberians, Africans, Latin Americans etc. Only things like PNAC can contort logic and create enough lies to attempt to justify America-led worldwide war, in complete contradiction to the declared reasons we had the 911 attack in the first place: our military presence in the blood feuds of the M.E.