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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: rrufff who wrote (1753)	9/15/2003 1:21:58 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

He posted that there are tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews in position of government or corporate power in the US and that all are or were in the process of selling out the US. I suggested, inter alia, that he could not even support the premise of the numbers, let alone the conclusion. Actually, most Orthodox are not even Zionists but have their own peculiar relationship about who his entitled but that's another story. Although requested, he has never answered, but continues to post additional "cut and paste" none of which supports the premise about which I queried. That's the deal, got it? Okay, but what does that have to do with this comment of yours? You've ignored everything else that I've posted so I see no need to continue a dialogue ... Take care Which was followed by more posts. In fact, you are STILL here today! Tom

To: rrufff who wrote (1753)	9/15/2003 3:14:01 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

How Israel's Mossad uses Jewish-American Zionists to spy for Israel: With so few full-timers, why is the Mossad so effective? "Israel can tap the significant and loyal cadre of the worldwide Jewish community outside Israel," wrote Mr. Ostrovsky. "This is done through a unique system of 'sayanim,' volunteer Jewish helpers." They "must be 100 percent Jewish. They live abroad, and though they are not Israeli citizens, many are reached through their relatives in Israel ... there are thousands of sayanim around the world. In London alone, there are about 2,000 who are active and another 5,000 on the list." Among the most important sayanim are those who work with the Western press people like the late British newspaper publisher Robert Maxwell." FACES AND PLACES by Myron B. Kuropas Gideon's spies My wife, Lesia, and I love reading spy thrillers. Our idea of a great evening is being buried in a can't-put-it-down book by Robert Ludlum, Fredrick Forsyth, even Tom Clancy. Fictional plots are exciting, but true spy stories are better. Among the books I've devoured over the years have been "KGB: The Secret Work of Soviet Secret Agents" and "KGB Today: The Hidden Hand," both by John Barron; "Double Lives: Spies and Writers in the Secret Soviet War of Ideas Against the West" by Stephen Koch; and of course, "Special Tasks: The Memoirs of an Unwanted Witness-A Soviet Spymaster" by Pavel Sudoplatov, the man who claimed to have assassinated OUN leader Yevhen Konovalets. I can't wait to dig into the recently published "Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America" by John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr and "Haunted Wood: Soviet Espionage in America, the Stalin Era" by Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev. Both books put the lie to the notion advanced by the anointed leftist university elite and their media fellow travelers that it was America's hysterical fear of communism that lead to the Cold War. To suggest that Soviet spies once operated freely in American government circles is still condemned as a form of pernicious red-baiting. A few years ago I read a book by Victor Ostrovsky and Clare Hoy titled "By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmasking of a Mossad Officer." What intrigued me most about the book was the claim that the Israeli intelligence service, perhaps the best on our planet, has only 1,200 employees, including 30 to 35 case officers or "katsas" operating in the world at any one time. During its heyday the KGB had 150,000 employees. Even the CIA has some 25,000 personnel. With so few full-timers, why is the Mossad so effective? "Israel can tap the significant and loyal cadre of the worldwide Jewish community outside Israel," wrote Mr. Ostrovsky. "This is done through a unique system of 'sayanim,' volunteer Jewish helpers." They "must be 100 percent Jewish. They live abroad, and though they are not Israeli citizens, many are reached through their relatives in Israel ... there are thousands of sayanim around the world. In London alone, there are about 2,000 who are active and another 5,000 on the list." Among the most important sayanim are those who work with the Western press people like the late British newspaper publisher Robert Maxwell. According to the authors, a kind of siege mentality exists within the Mossad; everyone is a potential enemy and words and actions are to by judged by one criterion: "'Is it good for the Jews or not?' Forget about policies, or anything else. That was the only thing that counted, and depending on the answer, people were called anti-Semites, whether deservedly or not." Support for Israel had to be unequivocal and immutable, wrote Mr. Ostrovsky. Mr. Ostrovsky disagreed with many Israeli shibboleths, including the prevailing Jewish depiction of the Holocaust. Recalling that "close to 50 million other people died as well," he writes: "The Holocaust could have been, and I think should have been, a source for unity with other nations rather than a tool for separation." Ukrainians in Canada take note.