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To: LindyBill who wrote (8323)9/17/2003 7:47:56 AM
From: Tom Clarke  Respond to of 793758
 
anti-Americanism

Maybe we should start calling it 'anti-American neurosis'



To: LindyBill who wrote (8323)9/17/2003 8:12:12 AM
From: Elsewhere  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793758
 
Long Article from "The Spectator"

I have a mixed reaction towards the article. Some points look true, others are exaggerated or don't apply. Gimson has written his article after visiting this event:
Symposium "Unanswered questions"
hintergrund.de
Gimson's description sounds as if the Tempodrom meeting had German roots. But one of the key speakers, Mike Ruppert, is a well-known US guest. The link list leads to a number of US sites:
911truth.org
911truth.org
unansweredquestions.org
unansweredquestions.org
copvcia.com
copvcia.com
madcowprod.com
madcowprod.com
americanfreepress.net
americanfreepress.net
911-strike.com
911-strike.com
questionsquestions.net
questionsquestions.net
truth-now.com
truth-now.com
cooperativeresearch.org
cooperativeresearch.org
thewaronfreedom.com
thewaronfreedom.com
onlinejournal.com
onlinejournal.com
So those people which Gimson tries to depict as the forefront of anti-Americanism heavily rely or even depend on input from American colleagues.

... in order to ... establish world domination

Isn't that PNAC's aim - to secure American predominance in the 21st century?

Another American who works in an office full of educated Germans said, ‘With every American soldier that dies the schadenfreude is immense.'

I can't believe this. I haven't experienced a similar scene. Generally Gimson ascribes an importance to Iraq in the German public discussion which it doesn't have. The media are dominated by the economic and social troubles - very high unemployment possibly reaching five million this winter (close to Weimar times), rising taxes, rising public deficit, violation of EU rules, cuts in healthcare, cuts in subsidies. This is what dominates radio and TV talk. Iraq and the war on terror are very peripheral topics.

The Germans hope the Americans will fail in Iraq.

No. The papers I read (Zeit, Tagesspiegel) know that success in Iraq is important for all western democracies.

.... accompanied by an astonishingly low estimate of the Americans’ abilities, lower even than the BBC sometimes conveys.

This sentence and the following paragraph are based on statements by a single person, a Dr. Fichter. I doubt it's a widespread opinion. To all citizens who have at least a superficial knowledge of military affairs it is more than obvious that the military part of the Iraq campaign was successful.

... office of Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, and found the Chancellor’s staff giggling about Mr Bush in front of another American reporter.

Such juvenile, and breathtakingly unprofessional, ...


Now that could be true. Schröder is no statesman.

By using this rancid anti-Americanism to win re-election, Mr Schröder gave his blessing as Chancellor to it.

Yes, this was ugly.

The period of good behaviour by subservient Germans has ended, to be followed by a period of bad behaviour which can only be understood as a kind of belated adolescent rebellion

Yes, it's amazing how little attention foreign policy gets currently in Germany. There are very few politicians with a solid and mature background.

What is more, Germany will only recover its economic dynamism when its dopey political class, among whom the pursuit of consensus long ago degenerated into listless moral cowardice, introduces reforms which give the German economy some of the flexibility and spontaneity found in America. This is a bitter pill to swallow, and the Germans as yet show no sign of finding the stomach for it.

Milton Friedman for German President!



To: LindyBill who wrote (8323)9/17/2003 9:37:05 AM
From: KonKilo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793758
 
Last Sunday I attended a very odd and unpleasant meeting at the Tempodrom in Berlin. The several hundred people who were present believe the American government is to blame for the attack on the World Trade Center, which it either carried out itself, or else allowed others to carry out, in order to have an excuse to invade Iraq and establish world domination.

There are many more "conspiracy theorists" in the world than one might think. (Just Google "911 conspiracy").

Perhaps if the Admin would cease its stonewalling of the "investigations" these speculations could be finally laid to rest.



To: LindyBill who wrote (8323)9/17/2003 11:20:50 AM
From: Rollcast...  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793758
 
Demystify It
How to defeat suicide terrorism.

September 16, 2003, 9:40 a.m.

nationalreview.com

By Adam Wolfson



The religious orientation of the Islamists…breaks down deterrence. How do you deter someone who is willing, indeed eager, to die?…You cannot deter Islamic fundamentalists.
— Fareed Zakaria

n the suicide terrorist we have met our match. Or so we are told. For 40 years, deterrence kept the Soviets at bay, dissuading them from attacking our cities. But deterrence is impossible, it is said, against religious zealots. How astonishing and inexplicable is their behavior! What unfathomable commitment they show! Surely, such fanaticism cannot be deterred.













That's the conventional wisdom, but as is so often the case with conventional wisdom, it is mostly wrong. In a rigorously researched article for The American Political Science Review, Robert Pape has examined every suicide-terrorist attack in the world from 1980 to 2001. There have been 188 such suicide attacks worldwide, ranging from Lebanon to the West Bank, from Sri Lanka to Chechnya, and from India to Turkey. From his survey research, Pape, who teaches
political science at the University of Chicago, is able to explain much about this barbaric practice: He shows how suicide terrorism operates, and why it became a growth industry over the last several decades. His superb study should help dispel the widespread notion that suicide terrorism is somehow beyond comprehension, and beyond remedy.

One of Pape's most important findings is that suicide terrorism is guided by clearly identifiable strategic goals. It is not a mere act of wanton cruelty, though it is certainly that. Nor is it an act of desperation by the dispossessed. Rather, suicide -attacks are nearly always carefully calibrated to accomplish the political goals of nationalists groups. Of the 188 suicide-terrorist strikes from 1980 to 2001, a whopping 95 percent were undertaken as part of an organized political campaign; that is, only 9 of the 188 attacks were unplanned.

These statistics give us a clearer picture of what we're up against. The vast majority of suicide attacks are not the work of psychos; they are not the random and unpredictable acts of fanatics. We're not in the realm of trying to divine the dark psychology of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. Rather, suicide terrorism occurs, as Pape describes, in "clusters." And it is nearly always deployed as part of a larger political-military campaign. The psychology of an individual suicide terrorist might indeed be incomprehensible, but this is not the case of those who recruit, train, and outfit him. A suicide terrorist's handlers are not so eager to die, and there is little reason to believe that deterrence — if forcefully and consistently applied — will not prove effective against them.

Pape uncovers another startling and vitally important pattern: Every suicide attack in the period under study was launched against a democracy. Hezbollah used this weapon to force the United States and France from Lebanon in 1983; Hezbollah and Hamas have used it repeatedly to force concessions from Israel; Tamil terrorists have used it against the Sri Lankan government; the Kurds against Turkey; the Chechen rebels against Russia; the Kashmir rebels against India; and perhaps most infamously, on September 11, al Qaeda launched its suicide -terrorist attacks against America.

This is an extraordinarily important finding. Clearly, the terrorists have reached certain conclusions about our own "regime." They think we are "soft," and they surmise that democracies in particular are vulnerable to nihilistic coercion.

And in this regard, the terrorists are, sadly, not entirely wrong. For another pattern Pape unearths is that suicide terrorism against democracies is effective. It is more destructive than regular terrorism — from 1980 to 2001 suicide attacks made up 3 percent of total terrorist attacks but produced 45 percent of all casualties — and that's not even counting the immense carnage of September 11. Moreover, suicide terrorism more often than not achieves its strategic goals. By Pape's accounting, of the eleven separate suicide campaigns from 1980 to 2001, six produced "significant policy changes by the target state toward the terrorists' major political goals." This bodes ill for the future, as Pape indicates:

The main reason suicide terrorism is growing is that terrorists have learned that it works. Even more troubling, the encouraging lessons that terrorists have learned from the experience of the 1980s and 1990s are not, for the most part, products of wild-eyed interpretations or wishful thinking. They are, rather, quite reasonable assessments of the outcomes of suicide -terrorist campaigns during this period.

So how should democracies respond to this new scourge? Pape argues in favor of beefing up homeland security. Good advice. But much more than that can and should be done.

We need to see suicide terrorism for what it is; we need to demystify it. Suicide terrorists are not some other breed of men, unsusceptible to the usual tools of statecraft. As Thomas Hobbes once said of human cruelty: "That any man should take pleasure in other men's great harm, without other end of his own, I do not conceive it possible." The terrorists have their ends. Deny these — make sure that suicide terrorism does not pay — and it will surely lose much of its luster.

— Adam Wolfson is editor of The Public Interest.



To: LindyBill who wrote (8323)9/21/2003 10:09:29 PM
From: Elsewhere  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793758
 
Schroeder's SPD suffers landslide defeat in Bavaria
famulus.msnbc.com

MUNICH, Germany, Sept. 21 — German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's party suffered its worst election defeat in Bavaria since World War Two on Sunday, losing Germany's second biggest state to the conservatives for the 13th time in a row. ...

CSU (conservatives) 60.7% (125 seats), SPD (social democrats) 19.6% (39 seats), Greens 7.7% (16 seats), all other parties are below the 5% threshold. The first time ever that a party has won a 2/3 parliament majority in a German election.

story.news.yahoo.com
landtagswahl2003.bayern.de
de.news.yahoo.com