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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (75008)	9/18/2003 1:41:56 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I simply see no point if we cannot identify an issue of conscience...If I remember right you have been dismissive on the conscience thing. I wouldn't say "dismissive," rather that I can't seem to find a way to see it as an operationally meaningful construct. I cannot think of any stand one might take as a matter of conscience that would not involve the risk of going against the law or some other obstacle where courage is required. If your guy isn't swimming against some risky current, then I don't see the point of taking a stand. We don't have to "take stands" to do things that are common and easy, we are free to just do them. Risk and daring are implied in freedom of conscience. If there is nothing that is being violated by taking the stand, then "freedom of conscience" is meaningless. If someone could come up with an example that undercuts my understanding of the concept, then we would have something to work with. But you won't offer your principle unless I agree that there is such a thing as freedom of conscience and I can't do that because I cannot imagine an example that isn't against the law or of equivalent risk. Thus we have gridlock, you and I. Is there any evidence that my masseus has not considered the inherent worth of individual clients or colleagues? Haven't we gone around enough on that side issue? As a matter of conscience he has refused to pretend that the sensual nature of this experience does not effect a significant portion of society You used the word, conscience. Is this what he's taking a stand on, this opinion? You don't take stands on opinions, you take them on principles. That opinion of his isn't what this conscience thing is about, is it?