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To: Rascal who wrote (8723)9/20/2003 9:29:08 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793671
 
"I don't think that any Democratic candidate can beat Bush, from Lieberman to Dean and back, unless they have a positive foreign policy, one that states what they would do to defeat terrorism, not just what Bush did that was wrong,"

Time for the weekend "Think" pieces from the "New York Times."


September 21, 2003
HEARTS OR MINDS
The Fight for the Democratic Party
By ROBIN TONER


WASHINGTON — Consider, for a moment, Gen. Wesley K. Clark, newly declared candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, as a useful Rorschach test for a conflicted party. What did many Democrats see when they looked at General Clark — and how did that make them feel?

They saw a retired military commander who was a critic of the war with Iraq. A decorated hero from the South who could not be dismissed as some outside-the-mainstream, 60's throwback, yet was willing to confront President Bush on foreign policy. A man who was not only right, but maybe, just maybe, electable. And it made them feel . . . happy.

General Clark, of course, is a latecomer, largely untested in politics, whose real importance as a candidate will not be clear for several weeks. But this moment captured something important about a party torn between its heart and its head, between its desire to speak, clearly and without apology, about its beliefs, and its desire to defeat President Bush, put together an electoral majority in a polarized nation and return to power.

It is an old struggle in the Democratic Party, resurfacing with each new generation of activists and strategists since the old New Deal coalition came unstuck in the 1960's. Does the party need to move to the center, muting its liberal edge on cultural issues, economics and foreign policy in order to win? Promise to roll back just part of the tax cut, for example, not the whole thing?

Or does that lead to a watery "me-tooism," too careful, too calibrated, too uncertain of what it believes to rouse voters or to make a difference if its proponents actually win office?

Let Democrats be Democrats, is the thrust of one argument. Speak to the great American middle, not to each other, is the counter. Hearts and heads at war.

Bill Clinton moved the party to a centrist "third way" in 1992, but that happened only after 12 years out of the White House, when Democrats were really hungry to win. And much of that redefinition did not endure once Mr. Clinton and his formidable political skills left the White House.

Stanley B. Greenberg, a veteran Democratic pollster who worked for Mr. Clinton, says that Democratic primary voters in the decade since 1992 have become "more partisan, more ideological, more secular and more anti-Republican," just as their Republican counterparts have become more religious, conservative and partisan. In other words, the struggle over the right message, and messenger, has to be waged anew for the post-Clinton Democratic Party.

So far, it is largely framed by the powerful anger at the Democratic grassroots — over the 2000 election and a president elected without a popular vote majority; over three years of staunchly conservative policies and a war unpopular with Democratic voters from the start.

But there was also anger at Congressional Democrats, consigned to minority status, who to some Democrats seemed too reluctant to challenge the Bush administration. Ever since Vietnam, many Democrats have been deeply suspicious of the use of force, even as party leaders struggled to deflect the charge that Democrats are reflexively antiwar.

All this coalesced around the war with Iraq, which was supported by four of the six Congressional Democrats now running for president.

Many party activists, in short, were ripe for an appeal from an impassioned, outside insurgent, speaking out against the war and the establishment Democrats who at least initially supported it — speaking to the activists' hearts. Suddenly, former Gov. Howard Dean of Vermont, who famously declared that he represented "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," was atop the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire. His speeches were bracing affirmations of old-time Democratic values and beliefs; his audiences were moved.

But then, of course, the worried questions began inside the Democratic Party. Is an antiwar governor from a tiny state — Vermont ranks 49th in population — really the strongest candidate to defeat Mr. Bush? If not, then who?

Will rank-and-file Democratic voters give enough thought to the unyielding dictates of the electoral map — which candidate has the best chance to carry major battleground states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Michigan — when they cast their ballots? Will they, in other words, use their heads?

Bill Carrick, a Democratic consultant now advising Representative Richard A. Gephardt, describes it as "the age-old question — some elections, Democrats in the primary cycle vote their passions; some elections, they vote their heads."

Senator John B. Breaux, the Louisiana Democrat and a leader in the Democratic Leadership Council, formed to push the party to the center, worried recently, "The people who go to the caucuses and the conventions tend to be people who are focused first on who's most closely aligned with what they believe in, and only secondarily on who can win in November."

And Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York was one of several Democrats who argued that any successful nominee must pass a credibility test on national security. "I don't think that any Democratic candidate can beat Bush, from Lieberman to Dean and back, unless they have a positive foreign policy, one that states what they would do to defeat terrorism, not just what Bush did that was wrong," Mr. Schumer said.

Senator Evan Bayh, the Indiana Democrat who is currently chairman of the leadership council, recently contended, "We're not going to win on national security," but the party could lose on it unless the nominee is a credible commander in chief.

Such was the backdrop for the Wesley Clark phenomenon, and all the efforts by the other leading candidates to attract a second look from primary voters — as both impassioned and electable. Many Democrats were touting General Clark as a man who could, by virtue of his résumé alone, neutralize the national security issue; realpolitik was in the air last week.

Gordon Fischer, the Iowa Democratic chairman, asserted that beating Mr. Bush was "the No. 1 goal" of party activists. "Even Governor Dean's campaign talks about his skills and advantages as a candidate on the basis of electability," he added.

Predicting electability, of course, is tricky; sometimes when Democrats thought they were voting their heads, they were still badly beaten in the general election. Former Gov. Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts captured the 1988 Democratic nomination as a moderate, nonideological technocrat — not a man who stirred his party's passions, but one who seemed, to many Democrats, decent, competent, electable. He lost 40 states that fall. Other traits matter in a candidate, beside his profile and message; sheer passion and political talent can go a long way.

Moreover, there is a fundamental divide in politics now over how best to win the presidency — by galvanizing the base, or by reaching out to swing voters, which generally means a more centrist message.

In the end, many liberals cling to an old dream, of finding a candidate who appeals to both the base and the majority, and rebuilding the old coalition that seemed to shatter 35 years ago, argued Michael Kazin, a political historian at Georgetown University.

"They think that Americans, in their heart of hearts, really agree with them on education, on the environment, on some kind of national health insurance," Professor Kazin said. "And they feel they're completely right about the war in Iraq."

So, they want to fall in love with a candidate. And they want to win.http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/21/weekinreview/21TONE.html?pagewanted=print&position=



To: Rascal who wrote (8723)9/21/2003 7:55:38 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793671
 
You gonna read what's out there about Wesley, ya gotta take the bad with the good. :>)

Here comes General Clark, his policies will follow shortly
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 21/09/2003)

For the last year, General Wesley Clark, the former Supreme Commander of Nato, has been on CNN thrice nightly on one show or another.

He is a handsome man in an unnerving kind of way. He never blinks, presumably because long ago some adviser told him that not blinking projects strength or some such. So instead he just stares intensely directly into the camera. If you've ever sat opposite the serial killer on the last Tube to Morden, you'll know the look.

Anyway, night after night, Bill Clinton's old Arkansas pal and the Kollossus of Kosovo has been telling interviewers that he has not yet made up his mind whether to run for President or, indeed, whether he's even a Democrat.

Most of us figured this was the usual apple sauce and that the famously arrogant Clark was just waiting for the right moment. Last week was definitely the right moment. Howard Dean, the insurgent Leftie from Vermont whose metaphorical battle cry of "Give me ideological purity or give me death" has so roused the party faithful, has successfully killed off all the other viable candidates, mainly by driving them nuts and dragging them far farther to the Left than any sane man would want to be.

Last week, though, Hurricane Howard appeared to have temporarily run out of puff.

So in jumped Gen Clark. Brilliant timing. As if to underline that it is now Dean vs Clark, Senator John Edwards, the pretty-boy trial lawyer from North Carolina, officially launched his campaign the day before the General, and nobody noticed.

The media trampled him into the asphalt as they stampeded on to Arkansas to coo over the Democrats' new "white knight". And here's the thing: Clark was terrible. I assumed all the time that he was on CNN claiming to be wrestling with his decision that he had a campaign platform in the freezer all ready to warm up once he gave the signal. But it seems he genuinely hadn't made up his mind.

Judging from his initial appearances, he still hasn't. He is running for President because he thinks he is the best man for the job. Why? Well, no tricky follow-up questions, please: he'll get back to you later on that.

At his first campaign stop at a Florida restaurant, The Washington Post reported that "Clark said he has few specific policy ideas to offer voters right now . . . Voters need to give him time to think things through."

I sympathise, up to a point. Political candidates are supposed to have plans for things most of us never give a thought to, like a prescription drug plan for the elderly.

I don't have a prescription drug plan for the elderly, and I wouldn't want to improvise one in a Florida diner. But surely there's a couple of issues the White Knight's had time to think through. For example, I don't know whether you heard about it but there was a war in Iraq a couple of months back. It was in all the papers. So what's General Clark's position on that?

Here he is on Thursday: "General Wesley K Clark said today that he would have supported the Congressional resolution that authorised the United States to invade Iraq." Here he is on Friday: " 'Let's make one thing real clear, I would never have voted for this war,' Clark said before a speech at the University of Iowa." Got that? Everybody else on the planet knows what his or her position on Iraq is except General Clark.

A Democratic strategist told me that, well, Clark's got into the race late, so it is hardly surprising he is not quite, as the phrase has it, ready for primetime. Au contraire, primetime seems to be the only thing he is ready for: he spent the run-up to it, the war itself and the aftermath in television studios across the continent pointing out everything that Bush was doing wrong without ever acquiring a coherent position of his own.

What Clark's media-boosters like is that he's sophisticated, he's nuanced, he doesn't see everything as "yes" or "no". As he told The New York Times when asked whether he'd have voted to authorise war or not: "I think that's too simple a question." Unfortunately, most questions are: you have to vote yea or nay; and the general seems to feel that sort of thing's beneath him.

What we do know, though, is that, if he had been President these last three years, the Taliban and Saddam would still be in power.

His response to September 11, as argued in a weirdly narcissistic essay, would have been to have "helped the United Nations create an International Criminal Tribunal on International Terrorism" - no doubt chaired by a distinguished former chief justice of Libya or Syria. A team of Hague lawyers would be in Kabul today making solid progress with Mullah Omar on a plea-bargain from Osama. That's the stuff.

Why did General Clark on Friday stage the world's fastest retreat from his position on Thursday? Because his "supporters" were outraged to hear he would have backed the war. On 99 per cent of domestic issues, Clark is in bland unthinking compliance with party orthodoxy, with not an idea in his pretty little head.

The only rationale for his candidacy is that he is the soldier for the party that doesn't like soldiering. He supposedly neutralises the Democrats' national security problem: they can say, hey, sure, we're anti-war, but that's because our guy is a four-star general who knows a thing or two about it . . . That's all they need him for: cover.

It is not going to work. All General Jello does is remind voters of what they dislike about the Dems on this war: their weaselly evasive oppositionism. All his military background does is keep military matters at the forefront of the campaign.

He will be asked why he got fired from the Nato job, why his buddy Bill Clinton declined to save him, why neither his civilian nor uniformed bosses - Bill Cohen, the Defence Secretary, and General Shelton, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs - attended his retirement ceremony, a huge public snub for a four-star general.

It is hard to argue that Iraq was a disaster when, in the crappy little war you, General Clark, presided over, the most powerful military on the planet took 78 days of aerial bombardment to destroy just over a dozen tanks; hard to argue that our boys shouldn't be getting picked off on the ground in Iraq when in your war they stayed up at 15,000 feet, nights only, bombing hospitals, commuter trains, refugee convoys, the Chinese embassy, etc; hard to argue that Iraq wasn't worth it when, by most accounts, there's more ethnic cleansing (Muslims against Christians) going on in "liberated" Kosovo than there was in Slobo's day.

If General Clark's the candidate, he'll be the embodiment of ineffectual Clintonian warmongering.

If I were a Democrat, I would go with Howard Dean, the loopy peacenik who doesn't know a thing about war and doesn't care who knows it. On Iraq, he sounds passionate and angry, not shifty and equivocal. And on health, schools and the stuff Democrats and media really care about, Dean can yak away for hours so glibly there'll be no time left to talk about peripheral trivia like terrorism and national security.

If the objective is to squash Bush's war advantage, vote Dean and move on to domestic policy. Vote for the general and you're stuck talking war till next November with a candidate who is not up to it.

Unless, of course, there's a third scenario, which, given last week's lamentable performance, makes a strange kind of sense. General Clark is merely an unwitting "stalking horse", designed to weaken both Dean and Bush just enough to enable the Democrats' real white knight to jump in: waiting in the wings, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

telegraph.co.uk



To: Rascal who wrote (8723)9/21/2003 10:45:09 AM
From: KonKilo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793671
 
A law professor's first-hand account of lunch with Gen. Clark...

Notes on Gen. Wesley Clark's appearance in Iowa
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Friday, 19 September 2003
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As I mentioned previously, retired Gen. Wesley Clark came to Iowa today to deliver the annual Levitt Lecture at the University of Iowa.  This lecture had been arranged long ago, prior to his announcing his candidacy for the Presidency, but obviously recent events made his appearance far more newsworthy to the local press.

He had lunch at the law school with the faculty, and I was lucky enough to be at the table he came to.  (Well, my more experienced colleagues orchestrated that by ensuring that there were two open seats, one for Gen. Clark and one for his shepherd, Dean Hines.  Randy Bezanson then made sure to catch the Dean's eyes and beckoned them over.)  I say "lucky" because I had plenty of opportunity to ask Gen. Clark questions and to follow up on some of them in this informal environment.

Here are some quick thoughts on various issues discussed at the lunch table, during the informal Q&A session just afterward, or during his Levitt Lecture:

* On social security, he seems to think that the solution to the anticipated deficit was to raise the cap on the Social Security taxes (i.e., currently, only the first $87,000 or so of income is subject to the payroll tax).  He is against raising the retirement age, because that is the same as a cut in benefits.  At the same time, he recognizes that the "lockbox" concept is nonsense, because the government has a "unified" budget.

* On the kinds of judicial nominees he would aim for, he said that he would look for ones who bring balance and no ideological agenda; he identified Justices Breyer and Souter as examples.

* He thinks that Bush v. Gore was a bad decision because the Supreme Court shouldn't have intervened into such a matter.  I pointed out that his ideal Justices both agreed with the big 5 that the Florida recount process violated the Equal Protection Clause, and he agreed that the standard was problematic and wrong.  When Randy pressed him, he suggested that the courts should have used an "intent of the voter" standard, as illustrated by the ballots by Jewish voters with the double votes for Buchanan and Gore (meaning, I suppose, that the voter intended to vote for Gore but messed up at first and picked Buchanan).  This was actually not a very good answer, since Randy pointed out that there was no way to know whether a given voter was Jewish, a point that Gen. Clark conceded.

* On whether the Chinese government should be forced to revalue the Yuan (unit of currency), he agreed that it would need to be done in the long run, but thinks it can't be done right now because there are too many underperforming loans in the Chinese economic system.  Essentially, the Chinese economy needs to be fixed before revaluation can be done.

* He likes the French.  In fact, just before he stepped down as the NATO Supreme Commander, a French political leader told him, "You should have been French!"  Coming from the French, that sounds like high praise.  He did note that the French suffer from a similar problem to what he believes the current administration suffers from, namely, too narrow of a view of self-interest.

* He believes that going into Iraq was a mistake because Iraq posed no imminent threat and there was time to take other measures.  He would not have voted for a measure allowing the President to go to war (over Iraq), although he would have voted for a resolution to give the President "leverage" provided that the President would have had to come back to Congress.  [This was not at the lunch table, so I didn't have a chance to ask him what kind of resolution he had in mind.  It sounds like maybe what he meant is that the resolution would have allowed the President to seek U.N. approval, which would then be followed by an actual vote by Congress to authorize military force.]

* However, now that we are in Iraq, we can't just pull out -- that would lead to chaos and all but invite Al Qaeda to move in.

* He believes that preemptive strikes are warranted under appropriate circumstances, though they should be subject to extremely stringent standards of proof.  He would not want the President to say, in response to a threat, "Gee, let's wait and see if it really is anthrax, and when people get sick in New York, then we'll get mad."

* On gays in the military, he believed at the time that the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was okay, but he also pointed out that back in the days of the draft, being gay would not get you excused.  He now believes that the policy should be reevaluated because it does not seem to be working well.  He favors the British policy, which is "Don't ask, don't misbehave."  Interestingly, he explained that "Don't ask, don't tell" seemed to work better in the Army than in the Navy or Air Force.  The Army, he said, was constantly short on resources and hence did not have time to spend on determining whether a soldier was gay.  The Air Force, in contrast, was full of "spooks" who were going around intimidating airmen and airwomen.

* He sees three major issues in the election: (1) the war on terrorism; (2) the economy; and (3) the future of the American presidency.

* "How did we get here?"  He traces the current split between the U.S. and continental Europe not to Iraq, but rather to the end of the Cold War.  "What happened is we won . . . and we lost.  We lost our mission, our sense of purpose.  It had been to contain the expansion of communism, to deter Russian attacks, to help fledgling democracies."  Now, he says, we are "rudderless."  What should be our direction?

1) Inclusiveness: "You don't make us safer by erecting walls to keep others out, but by building bridges. . . ."

2) International organizations: "We have to use international institutions, not condemn and abuse them."  We need the U.N., and the U.N. needs us, he said.

3) Use of force: We should believe in a strong and effective military, but we should also realize that force is to be used as a last resort.  "It's very difficult to change people's minds when you are bombing and killing them."

* On terrorism, he favors focusing on the terrorists and funding, as opposed to countries.  However, in probably the most controversial part of his speech, he singled out Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Egypt as the "central fronts" -- Saudi Arabia because of "hatred spewing out of" the country, Pakistan because of its madrassas, and Egypt to a lesser extent.

* On whether U.S. soldiers should serve in U.N. missions led by non-Americans, he was skeptical.  The U.N. was fine for observer or peacekeeping missions, but for missions with the serious potential for military conflict, the U.N. had no military command capability.  He prefers a NATO command, because "we trust NATO commanders."  But he emphasized the need for the U.N. imprimatur because around the rest of the world, what the U.N. says is law.

* He did realize that aspects of the U.N. were less than perfect.  He refused to defend the fact that Syria is chairing the U.N. Disarmament Commission and that Libya is chairing the U.N. Humans Rights Commission, labeling those as "absurd."

He impressed many of my colleagues and me.  Of course, considering that many (most?) of my colleagues are Democrats, perhaps that's not unexpected.  But I have to say that given the breadth of questions he was getting, he showed remarkable command of factual matters and political issues.  What I was most impressed with was his willingness to accept reality and to state clear opinions.  The Social Security question was probably the best indication of this.  You might disagree with raising the cap on the amount of income subject to the payroll tax, but the reality is that there are only four things that can be done: (1) raise the retirement age; (2) cut benefits; (3) raise the payroll tax (either the rate or the amount of income taxed); or (4) some combination of two or all three.  Some people might think it is better to cut benefits, say, to the wealthy elderly by means-testing.  Some might think we should all suffer a little and cut benefits across the board.  But I give Gen. Clark immense credit for being, as far as I can tell, the first of the major candidates to select from that unpalatable menu.

I've read across the blogosphere that Gen. Clark comes across as cold and impersonal, but here in Iowa he did not seem that way.  Well, there was the moment at lunch when he received a cell phone call, which he answered, "General Clark."  You have to think that the number of people who have his cell phone number is not that large; what would my wife think if she called me on my cell phone and I answered, "Professor Yin."

Anyway, I hope that as he begins campaigning, Gen. Clark continues to display the forthrightness that he showed today.  The way things look now, if I were Dick Gephardt, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, Carol Mosley Braun, or Joe Lieberman, I wouldn't be making plans to be campaigning past the Democratic primary.



To: Rascal who wrote (8723)9/22/2003 5:58:39 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793671
 
I think Clark's closest resemblance to McClellen is his inability to make up his mind.

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RONALD BROWNSTEIN WASHINGTON OUTLOOK

Clark, Like McClellan, May Hoist Party's Antiwar Banner
Ronald Brownstein

September 22, 2003

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark has more in common than he probably realizes with George B. McClellan, the last general the Democratic Party nominated for president during wartime.

As a warrior, Clark could point to greater success than McClellan. McClellan was such an indecisive commander that Abraham Lincoln, who complained that the general had a case of "the slows," relieved him as head of the Army of the Potomac in November 1862. Clark, as NATO supreme allied commander, led the alliance's victory over Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic in the 78-day Kosovo war in 1999. If anything, some critics in the Pentagon and other governments considered Clark too aggressive in fighting that war.

But Clark's political appeal to Democrats today has much in common with the allure of McClellan to the Democrats who nominated him in 1864, at the height of the Civil War.

During the Civil War, Democrats were bitterly divided between "peace" and "war" wings. The peace Democrats hated the Civil War and were willing to end it under almost any terms; some were even willing to let the South go. The war Democrats wanted to fight to victory and reestablish the Union.

But both sides shared a common opposition to the way Lincoln was prosecuting the war. Both abhorred its effect on civil liberties in the North. Both, to their lasting discredit, opposed making the war a crusade to end slavery (even the war Democrats were willing to accept slavery as the price of a compromise reunification). And, as the election of 1864 approached, both wings faced a common problem: How could they express opposition to the president's strategy and aims in the war without seeming disloyal to the nation itself?

For the leaders of the war Democrats, McClellan was the answer. He shared their doubts about Lincoln's approach. But as a former Army commander, McClellan offered the best shield against the charges of disloyalty that Republicans were routinely directing against Democratic critics of the war (some of whom probably deserved it.) "McClellan seemed the one man who could legitimize the Democratic opposition to the administration without having its loyalty questioned," wrote John C. Waugh in his book on the 1864 campaign, "Reelecting Lincoln."

Clark, as a critic of the Iraq war, may be in a similar position today. Does anyone really imagine that after spending most of his adult life in the Army, Clark will win the Democratic nomination because a large number of voters believe he's developed better ideas for improving school performance or covering the uninsured than former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean or Sen. John F. Kerry of Massachusetts?

If Clark takes off — still a big if — he will almost certainly do so by convincing Democrats that he can express their hostility toward Bush's national security strategy and repel Republican efforts to paint the party as weak or unpatriotic. In that sense, Clark's hole card looks a lot like McClellan's.

This analogy, of course, only extends so far. McClellan and his supporters placed themselves unambiguously on the wrong side of history by failing to recognize the importance of ending slavery; history's verdict on the Iraq war won't be in for some time and isn't likely to ever be so unequivocal. Yet, like McClellan, Clark has the potential of bridging a war-torn party by expressing views mostly acceptable to the doves from a background attractive to hawks.

Clark joins the race facing many hurdles. He starts far behind his nine rivals in organization and fund-raising. Clark's brief, and mostly bland, announcement speech didn't inspire much fear among his opponents. And he's not nearly as well-known as other celebrity generals of recent times, such as Colin L. Powell; one poll this summer in New Hampshire found only a third of Democrats knew enough about Clark to express positive or negative opinions. Besides, the Democrats haven't nominated a general for president since Winfield Scott Hancock, who flopped in 1880.

But Clark has assets too. He's attracted formidable political talent, including so many confidants of Bill Clinton — whom Clark served under as NATO commander — that some Democrats are privately wondering if the former president is pulling strings for Clark's campaign. Intimates of both men say the answer seems to be no, though Clinton is apparently praising Clark as effusively in private as in public. "Let's put it this way," said one Clinton ally on board with Clark, "there wasn't discouragement [from Clinton]."

But the greatest asset for Clark may be the way in which he most directly echoes McClellan. No one should underestimate how much Democrats will like hearing criticisms of the war with Iraq come from the mouth not of a politician, but a general. Imagine a liberal derided at work as a wimp for denouncing the war. It's one thing to tell your co-workers that Howard Dean also considers the war a mistake. It's another to say that's the verdict of a retired four-star general with a Silver Star and Bronze Star at home.

One uncertainty is whether the antiwar Democrats potentially most receptive to Clark's overall critique of Bush's foreign policy will consider him pure enough on Iraq itself. The day before Clark's announcement last week, the left-leaning group Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting issued a report saying his shifting comments during the war belied his claim to have opposed it.

Clark himself further muddied those waters Thursday when he told reporters that while "in retrospect, we never should have gone in" to Iraq, he "probably" would have voted for the congressional resolution that authorized Bush to use force.

Even after Clark retreated back toward opposition Friday, his position on the war sounded more like Kerry's perpetual ambivalence than Dean's unstinting criticism.

It might comfort Clark to know that purists plagued McClellan too. Peace Democrats saddled him with a party platform denouncing the Civil War. McClellan repudiated the platform, but it complicated the already formidable task of unseating Lincoln as the Union marched toward victory. McClellan lost, competitively in the popular vote and by a landslide in the electoral college. To beat Bush next year, Democrats may have to do a better job of controlling their passions — even if they install another general atop the ticket.

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Ronald Brownstein's column appears every Monday. See current and past Brownstein columns on The Times' Web site at latimes.com .