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To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (13780)	9/21/2003 12:52:04 PM
From: portage	Respond to of 306849

That pretty well describes it.

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (13780)	9/21/2003 1:30:15 PM
From: Elroy Jetson	Respond to of 306849

I agree with your observations but describing the current system as a soft kleptocratic pseudocaptialistic pluto-socialism hardly rolls off the tongue easily. Do you have a shorter euphemism? I don't think a political system requires jackboot costumes or concentration camps in order to qualify as national socialist. The essential feint is dressing up kleptocratic tax policy as a benefit to the middle class, like the arbeiters partei, and making government and large corporate interests an extension of each other. The national socialist system always requires the enthusiastic support of the Grace A. Zaccardis initially even though they will be later liquidated, as fulfill no role in a national socialist system. Whether the liquidation is financial or corporeal does not change the character of the system.

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (13780)	9/21/2003 1:46:06 PM
From: Nikole Wollerstein	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

"what currently passes for capitalism in the US is actually national socialism - only the current Fuhrer is not as charismatic or intelligent as the original" Do you think you will be able to name a Government in any country that is more genetically diverse than current Bush administration?

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (13780)	9/22/2003 5:56:26 PM
From: MSI	Respond to of 306849

BTW, "Friendly Fascism" is a good book by Bertram Gross, that does a good job covering this territory. The first paragraphs: "Friendly Fascism portrays two conficting trends in the United States and other countries in the so-called "Free World" The first is a slow and powerful drift toward greater concentration of power and wealth in a repressive Big Business-Big Government partnership. This drift leads down the road toward a new and subtly manipulative form of corporatist serfdom. The phrase "friendly fascism" helps distinguish this possible future from the patently vicious corporatism of classic fascism in the past of Germany, Italy and Japan. It also contrasts with the unfriendly present of the dependent fascisms propped up by the US government in El Salvador, Haiti, Argentina, Chile, South Korea, the Philippines and elsewhere. "The other is a slower and less powerful tendency for individuals and groups to seek greater participation in decisions affecting themselves and others. Theis trend goes beyond mere reaction to authoritarianism. It transcends the activities of progressive groups or movements and their use of formal democratic machinery..."