Hi IQBAL LATIF; Re: "Strange when the Israelis disagree each they either take to the streets in peaceful demonstrations or they pasionately argue (sometimes violently) in the Knesset. When the Palestinians do so they just shoot each other so I guess we shouldn't doubt the viability of a Palestinian state. ..."
In a fight, it's always the one who is, at the moment, on top who wants to keep things the way they are. It's the guy on the bottom who is desperate. And the Palestinians are on the bottom.
There are more dead Palestinians from this conflict than dead Israelis, so it's not like the Palestinians are the only ones who are doing any killing. What's different is that most of the dead Palestinians were definitely killed on the order of Israel's top political leaders, while the top leaders of the Palestinians at least pretend to have clean hands. But dead is dead.
As far as Israeli individuals taking things into their own hands, I can't believe that you can sit there and say "peaceful demonstrations". It was a Jewish Israeli citizen who assassinated Rabin:
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As the Jewish state marked six years since one of its sons gunned down one of its founding fathers, Israelis paused to consider how the peace process might have differed had Yitzhak Rabin lived.
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haaretzdaily.com
The Israeli's own justice department admits that they treat Arabs like dirt. This is a right-wing Israeli website, Debka.com, in their own words:
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All Israeli governments were judged by the Or commission to have been wanting in their treatment of Arabs community, which makes up one-fifth of the population and guilty of insensitivity and discrimination.
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debka.com
Everyone remembers the American / Israeli who opened fire with a machine gun on the Arabs inside the Ibrahimi mosque. What most people don't realize is that he was a member of a Jewish terrorist organization:
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What terrorist attacks have been associated with Kach and Kahane Chai?
The deadliest came in February 1994, shortly after the signing of the Oslo peace accords between Israel and the PLO, when Baruch Goldstein, a Brooklyn-born doctor and Kach supporter, opened fire with a machine gun inside the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron. He killed 29 people ...
terrorismanswers.com
Note that the above website is not an anti-Israeli hate group, they have information on all the Moslem terrorist organizations as well. For example:
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Is Hezbollah a terrorist group?
Yes. Hezbollah and its affiliates have planned or been linked to a lengthy series of terrorist attacks against America, Israel, and other Western targets. These attacks include:
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terrorismanswers.com
That there are more Arab terrorist organizations than Israeli is not due to some cultural or moral advantage that the Israelis have, but is simply due to the undeniable fact that the Israelis are on top, so they naturally don't need to use terrorism to kill people on the other side. In fact, before the Israelis had a country, before they were on top, they didn't hesitate to bomb hotels to get what they wanted, and they wouldn't hesitate to do it again in the future:
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On July 22, 1946, members of the Jewish terrorist organization Irgun Tsvai-Leumi in the British Mandate of Palestine planted and exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel. The hotel was the base for the British military command and the British Criminal Investigation Division. 91 people were killed: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured.
The attack was ordered by David Ben Gurion and directed by Menachem Begin, both of whom would later become Israeli Prime Ministers. The attack was conducted by the Irgun Tsvai-Leumi, an Israeli terrorist organisation. It was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.
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wikipedia.org
Both sides are mostly peace loving individuals, but both sides do too little to restrain those who would commit violent acts (whether it be car bombs or F-16 strikes) against the other. So as far as I am concerned, both sides are guilty.
In the words of the American diplomat, "they do not want peace, what they want is victory". This applies to both sides. When you ask them what they want, both sides will say that they just want peace. But when it comes to making a deal with the other side, both sides describe the other as being subhumans who cannot be trusted.
The fact is that the Arabs and the Israelis both are equal, enthusiastic, and incompetent participants in the fight. It is my strong desire that the US not be involved in it, because eventually they will begin going after each other with nuclear weapons and I don't want to see our cities destroyed for the sake of a bunch of Israelis who couldn't clean up how their country treated their minority Arabs even though they've had 50 years to do it.
We faced these same issues (i.e fairness and equality of opportunity) in the US, and we solved them in the face of militant "Black Panther" attacks against our country. But we recognized that was was right was right, and that just because one black guy was a crazy criminal, did not give us the right to discriminate against all blacks, the vast majority of whom simply wanted a fair deal.
The Israelis, probably because of their religious prejudices, are unable to reform their country and pacify the Arabs. As long as that goes on, I see no moral reason why we should provide the weapons that they ineffectively use to attempt to scare the Arabs into submission.
As far as I am concerned, the Israelis have made their bed, they can lie in it. As individuals, if they are afraid of Arab rule, and they don't want to fight terror forever, I suggest that they consider moving to the United States. We have plenty of room and they are welcome. But they must leave their old world hates and politics behind them at the US border.
-- Carl |
