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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (115523)	9/23/2003 9:46:59 PM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: "Tell me, would you buy what 70 years of their "confidence" has bought them?" Mankind provides plenty of examples of people who fought far longer than 70 years for their freedom. Go ask the Irish, who fought for 500 years. Or the Greeks, who were occupied by Turkey for centuries. Or the Arabs themselves who also were occupied by the Ottomans. Seventy years is just the blink of an eye. Uh, that figure "70 years" rings a bit hollow in that Israel wasn't even founded until 1948. I'd put the figure at more like 55 years. That means that the Palestinians are still 15 years short of those "70 years" you're talking about. And where does that figure come from? Would you have said that the situation was hopeless for the Jews back during the Babylonian captivity of the 6th century BC? Re: "They are suckers, dupes for the Arab dream of Saladin. A perfect proxy force to chew at Israel's ankles forever." Interesting turn of phrase. You begin by calling them dupes, then you continue to note that they are "perfect" to chew at Israel's ankles "forever", LOL. This is in complete contradiction to your earlier comment about their not making much progress in 70 years. They've become quite effective at gnawing on ankles. That's a boatload better than the Irish were after their first 70 years of English domination. I guess you haven't looked around you at the deteriorating security situation in Israel. The Palestinians are not simply gnawing on ankles. They have forced changes into the lives of every Israeli. Every Israeli walks in fear of terrorist bombings. Restaurants go unused. The economy declines year over year again. Israelis give up and leave for the United States so they can raise their children in peace. These are the things that give the Palestinians hope. Go look at the ratios for killed between Israelis and Palestinians from 4 years ago and compare them to nowadays. The Palestinians are getting more efficient as Israel continues to lose ground. It's just a matter of time. Re: "But no way are they going to destroy Israel. The other Arabs know better than to destroy their armies trying that again." I think it's kind of cute that you think that a country of 6 million can continue to hold, *"forever"* (your own word to describe the Palestinian threat), a military advantage against combined countries with a total population of something like 15 or 30x larger. No, Israel's enemies are simply waiting for the US to quit supporting Israel. The Europeans have already dumped Israel, the US is next. Israel will negotiate long before the Arabs have decisive military advantage, just like the South Africans negotiated long before the black nations around them had any real military advantage. -- Carl