To: JakeStraw who wrote (463924 ) 9/24/2003 11:23:32 AM From: portage Respond to of 769667 Jake, Jake, Jake. Um, she repeats the points but doesn't bother to address them. 1. The Bush family made their money supporting Hitler. Documented from many sources regarding previous Bush generations. But, it was probably more a matter of convenience and money than ideology. 2. This is all about oil and the Bush family will make a lot of money by invading Iraq (or defending Kuwait, whatever.) They do, and it mostly is. And it's not just bush, but the bush/cheney/crony machine. Ignore the windfalls to Carlyle, no bid classified contracts to Halliburton and Bechtel, and privatization moves of Iraqi oil for the benefit of the cronies if you choose. 3. Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction because he just wanted to invade Iraq. The neocon plan was formulated in the 90s, and their mideast invasion plans documented both then and in 2000. Then they carried it out on the back of a pack of lies about the Hussein/Al Queda connection, preying on the 9/11 incident that happened on their negligent watch. >>with a Republican majority in the Congress the senior citizens would lose their Medicare and Social Security.>> It's certainly in peril with the huge deficits bush is running up. But, that's what they seem to want. Are the kids gonna pay for the neocons' misadventures ? >>The American people, bless them, appear now to feel so safe that they show signs of becoming bored with terrorism and national security and, as a result, it is getting harder and harder to get them riled up and frightened>> But bush would love nothing better. >>especially now that we’ve had a rise in the stock market from 7,517.76 in mid-March 2003 to 9,567.34 on September 16. That’s a 25% rise in six months. This does not really look like impending disaster.>> Unfortunately for bush, the average American is more concerned about their job than the market - most of the gains are not helping that group much. As well, the market's in a liquidity driven cyclical bounce, countering longer term fundamentals. It may last awhile longer, but the trajectory will be reversing when the chickens come home to roost. The insiders are setting up the lambs for slaughter again. >>The better the news out there, the angrier the left wing seems to get, and the more absurd and vicious their language.>> What better news ? shrub's tanking with his misadventures, and other people are paying for it with their jobs and lives. >>There is a well-organized plan for 2004 to seize control of the courts>> There's a whopper if I ever saw one. Describes the neocons and religious nuts' plans perfectly. Clinton appointed moderates - his Supreme appt's were strictly middle of the road. Bush goes for the right wingers to stack the courts. >>The fact that we are more than a year away from the 2004 election and the language has already gotten so extreme indicates to me that a lot of Bush opponents already realize they have lost the argument.>> She ends with the biggest hoot of all. Just wait until Rove starts spending his money, and you'll see what negative campaigning means. Bush has sown the seeds of his own dethronement through misleading, lying, and tilting way further to the right than he alluded to in 2000 (though we spotted that phony lie early on). Bush is a phony, and he's flushing this country down the toilet primarily for the benefit of his small cadre of elite. The tell is in the number of disillusioned republicans, moderates, swing voters, and military families who are turning against the bush lies and misadventures, and the polls are showing it. That's where this neocon disaster is losing the hearts and minds. They never had ours, LOL. But you needn't worry too much. Clark's the next president, and as a moderate, will be much more palatable to the repubs than the extremist liar bush is to the left. cheers.