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To: Greg or e who wrote (35708)	9/24/2003 9:14:29 PM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I have no intention of proving anyone other than myself has believed the scripture and understood them correctly. While there have always been the few who correctly understand what the scriptures teach they have not been in the majority. I do not care what has been historically believed Greg.. Even Christ did not care: Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? You keep insisting on working outside of scripture... Work there - but you will work without me. YOU BARELY READ MY LENGTHY POST Do you ever intend to give me the courtesy of trying to hear what I have said concerning the verse in Matthew? Please explain this to me Greg: RE>>As I pointed out the rewards for believers come at the same time that the universal judgement of all men takes place. That has not happened yet. << You state that the rewards have not happened yet but Christ plainly said that "some standing there" would see Him coming in His kingdom with those rewards. How can you continue to insist that your position makes sense because I will not point to historical characters to confirm what scripture says? Were you born again of a corruptible seed? Are you born again? Please go back to my lengthy post - your comments proved you never listened to the points I made - or you are just spiritually blinded from hearing anything other than what you already think is true? I asked you before to repeat back to me my position to see if you undertood what I had said and you failed to do so. Can you Greg tell me why I insist that the transfiguration does not fulfil what Christ prophesied? Two main points were offered you.... What were they? Thanks in advance. Brian P.S. Keep waiting.........

To: Greg or e who wrote (35708)	10/12/2003 7:54:22 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

You might like this poem Greg (hope your brother is well now ) "The hollow men" I We are the hollow men we are the stuffed men Leaning together Headpiece filled with straw.Alas! Our dried voices, when We whisper together Are quiet and meaningless As wind in dry grass Or rat's feet on broken glass In our dry cellar Shape without form, shade without color, Paralyzed force, gesture without motion; Those who have crossed With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom Remember us - if at all - not as lost Violent souls, but only As the hollow men The stuffed men. II Eyes I dare not meet in dreams In death's dream Kingdom These do not appear There, the eyes are Sunlight on a broken column There, is a tree swinging And voices are In the wind's singing More distant and more solemn Than a fading star. Let me be no nearer In death's dream Kingdom Let me also wear Such deliberate disguises Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves In a field Behaving as the wind behaves No nearer - Not that final meeting In the twilight Kingdom III This is the dead land This is cactus land Here the stone images Are raised, here they receive The supplication of a dead man's hand Under the twinkle of a fading star Is it like this In death's other Kingdom Waking alone At the hour when we are Trembling with tenderness Lips that would kiss Form prayers to broken stone. IV The eyes are not here There are no eyes here In the valley of dying stars In this hollow valley This broken jaw of our lost Kingdoms In this last of meeting places We grope together and avoid speech Gathered on this beach of the tumid river Sightless, unless The eyes reappear As the perpetual star Multifoliate rose Of death's twilight Kingdom The hope only Of empty men V Here we go round the prickly pear Prickly pear prickly pear Here we go round the prickly pear At five o'clock in the morning. Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow For Thine is the Kingdom Between the conception And the creation Between the emotion And the response Falls the Shadow Life is very long Between the desire And the spasm Between the potency And the existence Between the essence And the descent Falls the Shadow For Thine is the Kingdom For thine is Life is For Thine is the This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.