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To: JohnM who wrote (9379)	9/25/2003 9:30:52 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793757

And I would prefer an electorate that votes in large numbers, let's say 80% turn out numbers. I bet you do. "Mob Rule" is the best bet you have to put people who pander to the mob back in office. And that is your bunch.

To: JohnM who wrote (9379)	9/25/2003 9:59:51 PM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793757

Hi John, This began with your comment... I was more interested in expanding democracy and getting a government which was more responsive In response to my response... Demos want the government to respond to and solve their problems. Repos want the freedom to solve their own. you posted... "...I would prefer an electorate that votes in large numbers, let's say 80% turn out numbers. " John, I debate some of what you post...I agree with much...do you realize, for weeks, you have been describing utopian government as explained in the "Manifesto of the Communist Party", 1848, Karl Marx and Frederick Engels I quote... "The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement... The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: Formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat... All previous historical movements were movements of minorities, or in the interest of minorities. The proletarian movement is the self-conscious, independent movement of the immense majority, in the interest of the immense majority. The proletariat, the lowest stratum of our present society, cannot stir, cannot raise itself up, without the whole superincumbent strata of official society being sprung into the air. " Know your enemy is a critical factor that many Americans ignore...I know you are presently reading much...I recommend 3. The Koran, The Communist Manifesto and The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire....Read them in reverse order. uw