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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (465343)9/26/2003 7:49:12 AM
From: Bill  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 769667
 
It's 4:44 AM in your city and you're here on SI polluting the net with Bush hatred. Are you for real?



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (465343)9/26/2003 8:04:51 AM
From: JakeStraw  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Democrats ignore Bush, now go after one another
Presidential candidates shift campaign focus in televised debate

TIM FUNK
Observer Washington Bureau

NEW YORK - After a string of debates in which they mostly ganged up on President Bush's record, the Democratic candidates for president went after each other Thursday night in a face-off that signaled a shift in the tone of the campaign and highlighted differences over middle-class tax cuts, trade policy and health-care funding.

The nationally televised debate, co-sponsored by CNBC and The Wall Street Journal, also gave voters and the other Democrats their first look at Wesley Clark in action. The retired Army general, who recently became the 10th contender for the chance to challenge Bush, was largely ignored by the others standing with him on the stage at Pace University in lower Manhattan. But at least twice, reporters on the panel posing the questions insisted on following up after Clark gave what they considered vague, generic answers.

Though Clark has rocketed to the head of the pack in some national polls, it was former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean -- the leader in Iowa and New Hampshire -- who took most of the fire during the debate.

Dean often returned the criticism with charges of his own, but did express frustration at one point by reminding the others that "we need to remember that the enemy here is George Bush, not each other."

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who is battling Dean for a must win in neighboring New Hampshire, charged him with pandering to some activists by suggesting he wouldn't sign trade agreements with countries that don't have the same labor and environmental safeguards as the United States.

"That means we would trade with no countries," Kerry said. "It's either a policy for shutting the door, if you believe it, or it's a policy of just telling people what they want to hear."

Kerry and others also criticized Dean and Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., for saying they would repeal Bush's middle-class tax cuts. Gephardt wants to use the money to bankroll his expensive plan to provide health care for all; Dean says the tax cuts for the middle class have been a pittance compared to the increases they've faced in tuition costs and local property taxes -- expenses he tied to the sour economy and growing federal deficit.

That brought a sharp rebuke from Kerry: "I think Gov. Dean is absolutely wrong, and he's wrong on his facts."

Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., also took aim at Dean and Gephardt on the tax issue, though the first-term senator mostly managed to stay out of the televised fray and warned the others that "we really need to be careful that our anger is not directed at each other."

Still, he offered his own criticism: "I'd say to Gov. Dean and Dick Gephardt -- I grew up in a middle-class family whose taxes they're talking about raising. For a family of four who makes about $40,000 a year -- $2,000 (in tax relief) could be used to pay a lot of bills."

Edwards wants to cut even more middle-class taxes, including those on capital gains.

Clark, of Arkansas, stayed out of the line of fire, even though he has admitted in recent days that he voted for Republicans Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan for president in the past. The general was even welcomed by the Rev. Al Sharpton in what appeared to be a slap at Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., Edwards and Kerry for voting for the war in Iraq and some other Bush initiatives.

"Don't be defensive about just joining the party," Sharpton said. "It's better to be a new Democrat that's a real Democrat than a lot of the old Democrats up here that have been acting like Republicans all along."

In answering questions, Clark appeared intent on proving that he's a bona fide Democrat, taking the party's orthodox positions on everything from privatizing Social Security (he's against that) to repealing tax cuts for the rich (he favors that).

"I am pro-choice, I am pro-affirmative action, I'm pro-environment, pro-health," he said. "I believe the United States should engage with allies. And we should use force only as a last resort. That's why I'm proud to be a Democrat."

During the debate, Kerry and Edwards staffers sent reporters watching on closed-circuit TV poll results from the Edwards campaign that indicated Edwards is now way ahead in South Carolina, with 23 percent, and has risen to 10 percent in Iowa -- behind Dean (21 percent), Kerry (20 percent) and Gephardt (18 percent).

Though the president got off relatively easy Thursday night, the best sound bite of the debate was a shot at the Bush administration by Lieberman for its alleged coziness with greedy corporate interests.

"In the Bush administration, the foxes are guarding the foxes and the middle-class hens are getting plucked."

Then, after the audience groaned and laughed, he added: "I want to make clear I said plucked."

Also participating in the debate were former Sen. Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida and Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio.

charlotte.com



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (465343)9/26/2003 8:10:06 AM
From: JakeStraw  Respond to of 769667
 
Nagging Democratic naysayers

By Barry Casselma

The details of nominating a president of the United States have evolved constantly in the nation's history, determined by changing communications technology, demographics, political circumstances and, most recently, a trendy clacque of expensive political operatives known euphemistically as "consultants."
The election of 2004, particularly on the Democratic side, is heading toward an apotheosis of this process, composed on a monotonal theme on the word "no." There are two kinds of presidential aspirants. First, there are the "anointed" figures, chosen by party leaders and the media, whose names are increasingly tossed about in speculation, one or two of whom are depicted as frontrunners. Second, there are those who usually hold public office, but who are not nationally well-known.
The second category in 2004 includes former Gov. Howard Dean, Sen. Bob Graham, Sen. John Edwards, and now Gen. Wesley Clark. The first category — the names which have been speculated about for the past three years — include Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Sen. John Kerry, and Congressman Gephardt. The presumptive arbiters of a presidential contest, the media and the political consultants, always attempt to control public perceptions of the candidates — and the standards by which these candidates are to be judged by the voters. When the contest begins in earnest, however, American voters have a curious history of asserting themselves in unpredictable ways. Second-category candidates thus often end up as finalists, and frontrunners often fade.
In recent history, the Democrats, more than the Republicans, have thought out previously unknown figures as their presidential nominee finalists: John Kennedy, George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Gary Hart (who came close but was not nominated) and Bill Clinton. Each of them, as they got close to the nomination, provoked unease and opposition in the Democratic Party establishments of their time.
In the frenetic and premature campaign of 2004, without a vote being cast, the list of Democratic candidates has already experienced upheaval. Early frontrunner Kerry has been mired in the background, as has Mr. Gephardt. The Edwards campaign has not taken off. Only a newly feisty Mr. Lieberman appears to remain in contention — although most in the media continue to roll their eyes at his prospects.
The current frontrunner, determined not so much by polls (and certainly not by any actual votes), is Mr. Dean whose grass-roots organization and appeal to the Democratic Party's populist base has been notable. Mr. Dean is a moderate who has decided to adopt the class warfare populist rhetoric of the most liberal wing of the party. It has been a clever strategy, enabling him to emerge from the pack of his rivals, and establishing him early as the man to beat. But Mr. Dean is also a threat to the Democratic Party establishment, still largely controlled by former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton (primarily through their fundraising and national party chair Terry McAuliffe). Mr. Dean has signalled that he will bring new leadership to the party organization, and this is problematic for Senator Clinton who is known to have ambitions to run for president in 2008.
The Stop-Dean movement has thus already begun. But the Clintons have apparently decided not to coalesce around their friend Joe Lieberman (with whom they also share political views). Instead, they have promoted the candidacy of Gen. Clark. In the abstract, Gen. Clark would seem to be the ideal figure to stop the momentum toward Mr. Dean. A former distinguished career military officer, Gen. Clark would seem to heal the Democrats' most glaring vulnerability — national defense.
But it remains so far an abstraction. Gen. Clark's announcement went well, as has his post-declaration publicity. Yet, this success seems mostly to be made of the negative energies of stopping Mr. Dean —and many Democrats' compulsive hatred of President Bush. Mr. Clark, furthermore, has apparently little skill in dealing with the relentless scrutiny of the media, and has had to bring in advisers to teach him how to do it. Seasoned observers of presidential campaigns note this as a critical sign that the candidate is not ready for this most prime of public time.
The party establishment¶s efforts to stop Mr. Dean is reminiscent of a similar effort in 1976 to stop the imminent nomination of Jimmy Carter. Party leaders and labor leaders, distrustful of Mr. Carter's upstart success, urged Hubert Humphrey to enter the race at the last hour. Humphrey began to dog the Carter campaign in late primary states, and speculation grew that he would run. But following a rude broadside from Mr. Carter, calling him a man of the past, Humphrey decided not to run, and the race proceeded to the former Georgia governor's nomination. Mr. Dean may have to send a similar broadside to the Clinton/Clark Democrats of today.
So far, none of the Democrats, including Mr. Dean or Mr. Clark, has introduced a truly positive new idea to the 2004 campaign. By conducting their nominating process so far in advance of actual primary voting, they have risked articulating the contest against the incumbent president indelibly in negative terms. I would not presume to second-guess what the voters will do next year, but I know of no instance when American voters replaced an incumbent president with a nagging naysayer who doesn't know how to say yes.

Barry Casselman has reported on and analyzed national politics since 1976.

washingtontimes.com



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (465343)9/26/2003 8:23:34 AM
From: CYBERKEN  Respond to of 769667
 
Back in your poll trap, I see. Liberal polls are SOLD to the liberal media to make liberals FEEL GOOD before the walls cave in-as they did in 2002, and will again in 2004...



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (465343)9/26/2003 8:26:35 AM
From: JakeStraw  Respond to of 769667
 
Wow Kenneth 300 people were surveyed! LOL!



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (465343)9/26/2003 8:55:35 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 769667
 
nynewsday.com