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To: Dan B. who wrote (465904)9/27/2003 2:41:36 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 769670
 
You and the warmongers are losing support faster than Gray Davis.....
and the US is getting in deeper and deeper into the quagmire of Cheney and Wolfie
With Each Attack, U.S. Image in Iraq Erodes
Residents of Baqubah express their disdain after a market blast that left nine dead.

By Alissa J. Rubin, Times Staff Writer

BAQUBAH, Iraq -- The attack came not long after
darkness fell, a time when the air is balmy after the heat
of the day and people linger to exchange news, gossip
and run a last errand before curfew.

In this peaceful scene, a mortar shell exploded with
extraordinary force, its shrapnel flying for hundreds of
feet and leaving nine Iraqi civilians dead and at least 18
wounded Thursday at a busy market in this turbulent
town north of Baghdad.

On Friday, all that was left was a broad, shallow crater
in the road, suspicions about who was responsible and
disdain for the Americans' ability to stop such acts.

"These were innocent people who were killed," said
Dhamid Salih, 47, who owns a small kebab restaurant a
few feet from where the shell hit. "There are a lot of
people who don't like the idea that Iraq is stabilizing.
They are doing this to create chaos. The Americans
should do something." The attackers were probably
aiming for a U.S. military compound several hundred
yards away, Iraqi police and U.S. military officials said.

More than six months after the war began, loyalists to
the former regime of Saddam Hussein have found a
multitude of ways to create a sense of insecurity in Iraq,
despite the efforts by U.S.-led coalition forces and
civilian workers to stabilize the situation.

The loyalists have assassinated politicians, most recently
Aqila Hashimi, a member of the Iraqi Governing
Council who died Thursday of her gunshot wounds.
They are believed to have been involved in suicide
bombings, including one at the United Nations'
Baghdad headquarters last month that killed chief envoy
Sergio Vieira de Mello and 21 others.

They have kept up a daily drumbeat of attacks on
coalition forces — one American was killed Friday in a
rocket-propelled grenade attack in the northern city of
Kirkuk, and another died in a fire in Tikrit, Hussein's
hometown. The deaths bring the U.S. military toll to
308, more than half of those since President Bush
declared major combat over May 1.

A climate of apprehension pervades many areas of the country. Those Iraqis who
work with the U.S.-led coalition routinely receive threats; every day, U.S. forces
are targeted by attacks that injure if not kill; and everyone living in Iraq is regularly
hamstrung by sabotage of power stations and oil pipelines.

Though the Americans are not necessarily blamed for specific attacks, many
Iraqis hold them responsible for the instability.

"I feel anxious all the time because of the lack of security and because the acts of
sabotage are getting more violent," said Maher Jamal Abid, 35, who runs a small
private hospital in Baqubah where some of the injured from Thursday's blast were
being treated.

Abid, who has not been a target of violence, said his solution would be to have
Hussein come back. "But I would like that he only do security," he said.

An earnest man who apologized that his hospital was not more modern, he added
that if "Saddam gave one speech, security would be improved."

"We would like to see action from the Americans," he said.

The now-widespread availability of satellite TV has meant that people all over the
country see the attacks or their aftermath, and that reinforces the sense of
precariousness. Such news routinely displaces information about improvements in
the country, leaving many Iraqis with the overall feeling that their situation is no
better or even worse than it was before the war.

That sense of impotence in the face of continuing violence was felt Friday in
Baqubah, a city about 30 miles northeast of Baghdad. It is a place where there is
still open support for the former regime — graffiti in many places throughout the
city proclaims: "Long live the hero. Long live Saddam."

"I was talking with friends about my ambition to find a job and we were talking
about security and how actually in recent days we felt there was an
improvement," said Hussein Abdulrida, 42, whose hand was so badly damaged
by shrapnel from the market blast that he may lose his index finger.

The scene of carnage shocked the U.S. military police who arrived at the scene in
minutes, and it overwhelmed the local public hospital.

"We had seen individual injuries like these, but suddenly the emergency room was
completely full and covered in blood," said Saad Mahmoud, a doctor who works
in several Baqubah hospitals and was on duty at the public hospital when the
casualties came in.

Abdulrida said the only solution was to have Iraqis take care of law enforcement.

"The Americans want to apply their laws to us. They are too soft," he said. "There
is something inside ourselves that we do not like, but we need a strong central
authority."

But he doesn't blame the Americans for the attack, as some in Baqubah do.

"Maybe it was people from the past regime," he said. "Because they thought he
[Hussein] was the only one who could rule Iraq."

Others seemed reluctant to blame Hussein loyalists and instead accused
"outsiders" from Iran or Saudi Arabia.

American military sources said they were nearly certain that the assault was the
work of former regime supporters, perhaps the paramilitary group Fedayeen
Saddam.

It appears that the attackers fired a single Soviet-made 120-millimeter mortar
round, an exceptionally large size, probably from a truck, said Army Capt. Josh
Felker, spokesman for the 4th Infantry Division's 2nd Brigade.

He added that although the brigade's main base is hit by mortar rounds several
times a week, the rounds are almost always 60 or 80 millimeters.

The larger round requires considerable skill to aim correctly; it can land anywhere
within a 500-yard radius. During warfare, a forward spotter usually watches
where the first mortar round lands and then radios back to the soldier firing to
make adjustments, Felker said.

Iraqi and U.S. police investigators believe that Thursday's attackers were firing at
the Civilian Military Affairs Company, which is involved in building projects on
behalf of Iraqis, and that the attackers were unperturbed at the prospect of
missing because they assumed the violence would be attributed to the U.S.
military and undermine its authority and credibility.

U.S. and Iraqi officials blame Hussein loyalists for the assassination of Hashimi,
the Governing Council member.

In Kadhimiya, a majority Shiite neighborhood of Baghdad where Hashimi's body
had been expected to be brought for prayers Friday before being taken to the
holy Shiite city of Najaf, the mood was bleak — and fatalistic about the ability of
Iraqis to stand up to the destabilizing forces.

Hashimi's funeral procession ultimately skipped the Kadhimiya stop because of
security concerns.

"Her assassination will have no echo. No one will do anything because we got
used to losing such dear people as she was," said Mushtaq Talib, 33, the owner
of a religious bookstore. "We lost them over and over under the old regime, so
we have learned to keep quiet on such occasions.... If we express our sorrow,
we will be killed. Even now we do not touch freedom."
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To: Dan B. who wrote (465904)9/27/2003 4:39:04 PM
From: Kevin Rose  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
The failure to find WMDs or Al Qaeda link is indeed moot. So, let's discuss it.

There are two growing possibilities, as we fail to find either of these important premises for invasion:

1) Our intelligence was terrible.

2) Our intelligence was 'enhanced' by those wishing to see Saddam removed from power.

This administration owes the public an investigation into which of these failures we experienced. For a party that was so zealous in investigating Clinton's sex life, it is inconceivably hypocritical to stay silent on this point. For the consequences of this intelligence failure is monumental.

As far as the point as to whether the public would have supported an invasion of Iraq as a purely humanitarian effort, it would be best to ask: do they support an invasion of Burma? North Korea? China? Saudi Arabia? I believe the answer would be a resounding NO.

So, we need to figure out where we failed. Was the intelligence THAT bad that we were so absolutely convinced that Saddam had massive amounts of chemical and biological weapons? Or, was there a 'massaging of evidence and reports' that made it seem so? If so, who did it? Heads should roll; either let's sack the incompetent intelligence people, or whoever massaged the reports.

The ongoing hypocrisy of the right, which demanded an investigation into Whitewater and found nothing but Monica under the desk, is inflaming the moderates of this country. Better watch out, because a steamroller is heading towards Bush...