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To: LindyBill who wrote (9988)	9/30/2003 7:39:20 AM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793717

There is quite a bit of hand waving on the right as well. One thing I am confident about, if there was wrong doing by someone in the administration, you won't see people defending it to the bitter end, like the Clintonistas did.

To: LindyBill who wrote (9988)	9/30/2003 9:53:48 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793717

Fortunately, since the Repubs control the Congress, you will not see any outside investigations. You guys take the cake... Your favorite writers rail against paper traitors who in reality are nothing more than ideological opponents, but then, when a possible real traitor emerges, you protect them just because they are on your side. No wonder hardly anyone trusts you guys anymore.

To: LindyBill who wrote (9988)	9/30/2003 7:48:23 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793717

An interesting historical Joseph Wilson interview via PBS before the Iraq war and compliments of FR............links provided of course....Note the February 2003 PBS date! Note the date on this, and the PBS link as well: URGENT: Joseph Wilson to Bill Moyers in Feb. interview — war with Iraq not just about WMD! NOW with Bill Moyers ^ \| 7/14/03 \| Interview transcript 209.157.64.200 Source: pbs.org Posted on 07/14/2003 5:58 PM PDT by Wolfstar In Depth — Transcript, February 28, 2003, Bill Moyers talks with Joseph C. Wilson, IV [BEGIN EXERPT] MOYERS: You are calling for coercive inspections. WILSON: That's right. Muscular disarmament, coercive inspections, coercive containment, whatever you want to call it. I don't think containment's the right word because we're really talking about disarmament. MOYERS: Does it seem to you that the President, George Bush, is prepared to accept a disarmed Hussein? Or does he want a dead Hussein? WILSON: I think he wants a dead Hussein. I don't think there's any doubt about it. MOYERS: President Bush's recent speech to the American Enterprise Institute, he said, let me quote it to you. "The danger posed by Saddam Hussein and his weapons cannot be ignored or wished away." You agree with that? WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. I... MOYERS: "The danger must be confronted." You agree with that? "We would hope that the Iraqi regime will meet the demands of the United Nations and disarm fully and peacefully. If it does not, we are prepared to disarm Iraq by force. Either way, this danger will be removed. The safety of the American people depends on ending this direct and growing threat." You agree with that? WILSON: I agree with that. Sure. The President goes on to say in that speech as he did in the State of the Union Address is we will liberate Iraq from a brutal dictator. All of which is true. [ED. NOTE: This is the only time in the lengthy Moyers interview where Wilson mentions the State of the Union Address. At NO time did he mention any concerns about the sentence regarding British intelligence and Niger. The grousing about that sentence actually began shortly after the SOTUA and went nowhere. Now comes this sudden, new-found "concern" by a man with long ties to the Democrat Party.] [SNIP] MOYERS: You think war is inevitable? WILSON: I think war is inevitable. Essentially, the speech that the President gave at the American Enterprise Institute was so much on the overthrow of the regime and the liberation of the Iraqi people that I suspect that Saddam understands that this is not about disarmament. WILSON: But I think disarmament is only one of the objectives. And the President has touched repeatedly and more openly on the other objectives in recent speeches including this idea of liberating Iraq and liberating its people from a brutal dictator. And I agree that Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator. And I agree along with everybody else that the Iraqi people could — would well be far better off without Saddam Hussein. The problem really is a war which has us invading, conquering and then subsequently occupying Iraq may not achieve that liberation that we're talking about. MOYERS: So this is not just about weapons of mass destruction. WILSON: Oh, no, I think it's far more about re-growing the political map of the Middle East. [SNIP] MOYERS: Talk to me a moment about the notion of preemptive action and regime change. Preemptive action means an attack. WILSON: That's right. That's right. We have historically reserved as part of our right of legitimate self-defense the authority to go in and take out an enemy before that enemy has an opportunity to take us out. [END EXERPT] Excerpted - click for full article ^ Source: pbs.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror KEYWORDS: BILLMOYERS; IRAQ; JOSEPHWILSON; WHYWEFIGHT; WMD