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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (115995)	10/1/2003 4:37:37 AM
From: frankw1900	Respond to of 281500

a prelude to calls for 'managing' or 'guiding' news...The military tries very, very hard, to get good press Everybody tries to get their slant into the news. Oh I forgot! Except the "peace camp." They, of course, are noble, and misunderstood, and endowed with god-like clarity of vision: The US attacked a defenseless dictator who was just minding his own business doing a little genocide here and there, attacking his neighbours once in a while, and generating the vilest tyranny since Stalin. But what the hell, the "peace camp" doesn't really believe no reason is enough to put the SOB out of business if it might coincide with the US's own interests. At the big peace demo in London the Iraqi woman who had lost her family was not given the bum's rush by the defenders of the under dog. And really, Saddam didn't say the demonstrations gave him comfort. The "peace camp" doesn't really think three million exiles, the one million dead, the continually tortured and terrorized, are owed nothing by anybody. Especially not those in the "peace camp" who find it so repugnant that the US and Britain would put a stop to it for possibly impure motives. No, the "peace camp" has never tried to get its slant into the news. Its story is only about reality and never about how it imagines itself to be....

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (115995)	10/1/2003 6:11:06 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 281500

Whether or not your characterization of that story is true has nothing to do with the kind of point you were making. There was no general call for controlling the news.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (115995)	10/1/2003 10:45:53 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Update on the Wall: As I've been saying all along, it will annex large amounts of Palestinian land. The gaps in the Wall are obviously a temporary expedient, as a Wall with gaps accomplishes nothing. So, they'll wait a bit, until the Americans are distracted. Ariel was placed to break up the northern part of the West Bank into two separate areas. Similarly, Maale Adummin was built to separate the northern and southern sections of the West Bank. The Palestinian "State" will then be in 4 disconnected pieces (Gaza, Hebron, Ramallah, Nablus). To be clear: Minister Eitam's solution is to annex the land of the West Bank, but not the people. He wants the people to be given Jordanian citizenship (allowed to continue living in Greater Israel if they behave), or expelled east of the Jordan (if they don't behave). _________________________________________________ Ariel Sharon's cabinet has agreed to extend Israel's controversial "security fence" to encircle Jewish settlements deep in the West Bank, moving closer to formally annexing hundreds of square miles of Palestinian territory. But under pressure from Washington, the government said it would leave gaps in the fence where it would link the settlements of Ariel and its satellites to the main barrier that Mr Sharon envisages will eventually encircle the bulk of the Palestinian population. Earlier this week, Mr Sharon made clear that he intended to ensure that Ariel was part of Israel under a final agreement with the Palestinians, even though a senior US state department official, William Burns, warned that continued expansion of the settlements "could threaten the future of Israel as a Jewish democracy". The Israeli cabinet yesterday agreed to build two sections of fence around the settlements of Ariel and Kedumim, up to 13.5 miles into the occupied territories at a point where the West Bank is only 33 miles wide. But because of American pressure, the government will, for now, leave an extensive gap between the barrier around the settlements and the main fence closer to the 1967 border. If the barrier intrudes too deeply into Palestinian territory, the US has threatened to deduct the cost of constructing the fence from the £5.4bn ($9bn) in loan guarantees that Israel badly needs to prop up its ailing economy. Most members of the cabinet wanted to include Ariel, the largest settlement outside east Jerusalem with 21,000 residents, on the Israeli side of the fence, but Mr Sharon told his ministers that they should agree to the gaps, so as not to offend Washington. The two governments will discuss the issue again in eight months time, when some Israeli officials believe President George Bush will be preoccupied with re-election. Several ministers dissented, however, including Effi Eitam of the National Religious party, who was in unusual agreement with the Palestinians in seeing the fence as establishing borders. Mr Eitam would prefer Israel to annex the entire West Bank. guardian.co.uk