To: tejek who wrote (175749 ) 10/2/2003 5:38:16 PM From: TimF Respond to of 1578881 We are not even close. When people have to work 8 or 9 months out of the year to pay for taxes + the cost of complying with government regulations and policies I'd say we are not far away. As for states of mind, a lot of people in the US already have a very socialist "state of mind". Only by comparison maybe to some conservatives. No, not only be comparison to conservatives. A large minority supported socializing medicine and similar minorities (perhaps in some cases even small majorities) want to increase socialism in the US in other ways. What makes you think you're aware enough to understand the difference between charity and socialism? The fact that I do understand the difference. And how dare you determine what kind of church I went to......you overstep your position. I didn't determine anything. I speculated about it. And "how dare you" is a rather innapropriate response to such speculation. Clearly, my understanding of the nature of Christianity is different than yours. For me, its not about charity but about caring for all of us, insuring that all have enough to eat and a place to sleep. It goes way above charity The nature of Christianity isn't a political ideology or support of a certain economic school of thought. Christianity is about Jesus dieing on the cross to save us from our sins. To the extent that Christianity is relevant here - Jesus did always promote charity, even from those who barely have enough themselves, but he never campaigned for large government expenditures or a vast social welfare state. He never said take from the rich to give to the poor, he rather called upon the rich (and the not rich) to give to the poor. That's charity. Charity I suspect is a conservative invention. That is a rather odd comment, esp from someone who doesn't like conservatism. Of course you aren't using it to praise conservatism but rather to bash charity (at least as being lacking and as a distraction from what you consider more important), which IMO is also rather odd. Tim